EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

If it were so plainly obvious they were either cheating or massively incompetent, then why would there have been so many questions in this regard. Even up to the point CCP decided to start deleteing and locking posts. Banning people from the forums and so on?
And the Patriots analogy might be cute for the US players, but it hardly has any relevance to this issue.



Language skills or nationalities hardly are of importance here as long as the message get's heard.
As for who behind the NPC is. It's for me to know and for you to guess I think.
All in the greater metagaming sceme.

Wrong. Actions were taken against people who acted in against the rules. Their self admitted testimony of what happened formed a strong case on it's own to ban them. Their pathetic attempts to wringle out of responsibility did nothing to weaken the case against them. This wasn't a case where no one knew what was allowed and innocent people were harmed as a result. The prime suspects seemed to be the ones having trouble getting the rule.

Putting it another way. There are complaints, that two teachers, Henry & Ollie are fondling kids at a school, but the existing rules don't directly forbid what they're doing. To fix the issue a new rule is made to forbid fondling kids and all teachers are notified and told the rule will be strictly monitored. H&O ask if it's still ok to touch students at all and the principle says it's ok, but reminds them to refrain from overdoing things. Most teachers don't really pay special attention to this, since it has no impact on their activities. It's just common sense.

A few days later H&O are found alone in a locked closet with a confused little 7 year old Suzy. Their hands were busy inside the little girl's shirt at the time of discovery. H&O proceed to complain about how obscure the rule is and come up with excuses about what they did wasn't actually molesting. They also defend by saying, that they asked for permission and the principle said it was ok to do what they did. This is the case before CCP. The only reasonable way to deal with it is to take action against H&O and treat their justifications as the totally worthless excuses they are.



I hate to break this to you, but 100% certainty on desicions isn't possible and that vagueness in mandatory. You have to make desicions based on what is likely or propable. It's just like every other referee in a sport. He monitors the game and calls them like he sees them. In this case it should be fairly obvious, since it's only there to deter obvious cases of cheating like last year. Cases like the other side not fighting at all or stopping and losing the fight after they had already won it. All you have to do is try to win the fight and you'll be ok.



Digital Solaris got his answer from Raivi. He is an alliance tournament veteran and the rules concerning that area haven't been changed. A dev could have confirmed it, but it doesn't seem necessary. Suleiman's thread on the other hand is another pointless protest thread like this one, that was made by someone who is bitter about CCP's rulings, but hasn't got anything really concrete to stand on. It certainly didn't warrant a dev response.



Sounds like a fitting response to this thread. More specifically, you aren't making a reasonable counter arguments about the rules/CCP decisions. You're raising such theoretical and fringe objections, that treating them seriously is just a waste of a developers time.

Show me where the rule says in howfar people can collaborate in order to practice on the testserver.
Show me which rule they broke at AT9 and show me where it's obvious they were going to break a rule at ATX.

Bringing in kiddy abuse analogies actually makes your whole reasoning weaker instead of stronger.
The whole way CCP treated it isn't even close the the analogy you brought up.