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If my ship cost more than yours, I should win.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2011-10-04 22:12:11 UTC
Sofia Bellard wrote:
It is not a troll at all.

Let me use an analogy for you:

If you have a Ford Pinto and I have a Porsche GT3 RS and we are going to race; how fair is it that because you didn't try hard in life, I am not allowed to put my car into gear while you putter off to the finish line to win?



I will still be driving while you are wrapped around a tree on fire.

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#22 - 2011-10-04 22:18:04 UTC
didn't you know? if you put around 100 plex into the cargo of a hauler and go through lowsec you are basically invincible. Same as in real life.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-04 22:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Taedrin
Sofia Bellard wrote:
With the disturbing news of the change to the titan weapon on SiSi, I wonder what will stop them from doing similar things to the rest of the ships in EVE.

If I worked really hard at the game to acquire an far superior ship that some other scrub who did just enough to get by, then by all rights then I should be able to mop the floor with his ship. It is the same for how things work in RL (real life) so why should the mold be broken now?

There is a reason why a Raven Navy Issue is superior in firepower and tank than say some crap Rupture. Mine cost an incredible amount more because it has superior tank and firepower to the Rupture. So now because he went all cheap due to his lack of effort in the game, I can't shoot him? What kind of logic is that?!

We all need to band together and let CCP know that we don't want 'welfare' in our game. The universe is cold and harsh so players need to man up and deal with it. Say no to welfare!


You best be trollin' dude.

In fact most ships CAN kill any ship which is less expensive than it - provided that they are fit properly for the task. To use your example, if you want a Raven to blow up a Rupture, then fit your Raven with an AB/MWD, web, point, target painter and a heavy neut. I guarantee you that the Raven will come out on top in a 1v1 engagement. Sure you might have to armor tank your Raven (LAWL), but it will work for the job.
Nyssa Litari
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-10-04 23:04:04 UTC
The game is EvE On-Line, not X3 On-Line.

Besides, your Navy Raven can easily hit that Rupture if you're willing to fit smaller launchers (a ship with turrets probably would've made a better analogy, but we work with what we have). It is sensible that firing a titanic weapon is only effective and desirable when shooting at a target that can't easily get out of the way.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#25 - 2011-10-04 23:11:51 UTC
Sofia Bellard wrote:
It is not a troll at all.

Let me use an analogy for you:

If you have a Ford Pinto and I have a Porsche GT3 RS and we are going to race; how fair is it that because you didn't try hard in life, I am not allowed to put my car into gear while you putter off to the finish line to win?


You're talking about cost.

Here's an analogy for you:

1999 BMW E36
0-60 in 5.6secs
Top speed 155mph
Cost - around £4000 / $6100

2011 Vauxhall Corsa 1.2i
0-60 in 13.6secs
Top speed 107mph
Cost - around £9000 / $13900

Now compare their fuel useage per mile.

So, just like in real life, Eve should follow the rule that "more expensive" is always better in all things.

You're a poor troll.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#26 - 2011-10-04 23:18:55 UTC
ill postr somethng but i am erating popcron now one sec

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Malcom Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-10-04 23:22:06 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
It's not the size of the Ocean, it's the movement of it Roll


Lol - how very zen of you. Or something P

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-10-04 23:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Sofia Bellard wrote:
It is not a troll at all.

Let me use an analogy for you:

If you have a Ford Pinto and I have a Porsche GT3 RS and we are going to race; how fair is it that because you didn't try hard in life, I am not allowed to put my car into gear while you putter off to the finish line to win?



very well then, I demand my hulk to be able to go toe to toe against 200 frigates or a HAC.

it's expensive so it must be that good, right?

right??

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Spurty
#29 - 2011-10-04 23:29:55 UTC
Hai Gais I hear See See Pee are nerfung thunderclap wizards of the grey up
North. We mist dooooo somethink.

I'll print posters and we'll Mince our way through Ealing broadway on a saturday to show them we mean bizznizz

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2011-10-04 23:40:57 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Sofia Bellard wrote:
It is not a troll at all.

Let me use an analogy for you:

If you have a Ford Pinto and I have a Porsche GT3 RS and we are going to race; how fair is it that because you didn't try hard in life, I am not allowed to put my car into gear while you putter off to the finish line to win?



very well then, I demand my hulk to be able to go toe to toe against 200 frigates or a HAC.

it's expensive so it must be that good, right?

right??


I demand that my Utu can kill you all by just appearing in the same system as you are in.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#31 - 2011-10-04 23:41:25 UTC
ill postr somethng but i am erating popcron now one sec

EDIT: Ok i'm good now.

Good thing that i was unable to post for awhile there because i had half a mind to troll you back. But i wont now. Knowing about the latest trend of clueless posters, i'll try to show you the error of your suggestion.

Ships are expensive in EVE because they are increasingly specialized in whatever task they perform. The more specialized, the higher the cost.

So lets take the Titan for instance. Do you even know what a Titan's intended role is? It is NOT supposed to be an i-win button capable of single-handely demolishing entire fleets. It is supposed to be the ultimate fleet-command ship. That is why it has all those fleet bonuses and the jump-bridge capability. And it does such a good job on that role.. it has such a big strategical value that the ship costs more than any single person should be able to achieve in a life-time of EVE gameplay.


Now, lets take a look at the RORQUAL. Do you know what a Rorqual role is? Its role is to act as the ultimate mining fleet-command ship. And it is. It is NOT supposed to be able to MINE on its own, and so it doesn't. If you ever try to mine with a rorqual you will see what i am talking about. It also costs 4 billion ISK but in all-out combat (a role for which this ship was NOT designed) it sucks donkey anus. It can tank a lot, and it can dish out damage (with sentries), but that is not is primary role.



Do you see the problem there (i'm not asking you THINK there is a problem. There is one, regardless of your opinion)? The rorqual performs its role admirably, but it sucks at mining even though it is a mining fleet-command ship. The titans, however, perform their own role as a combat fleet-command ship just as admirably however it ALSO performs very well as an all-out combat ship.

According to CCP game designers they never intended for players to hoard these like James Bond hoards STD's, so they didn't planned for alliances using dozens (yes, dozens) of Titans in one single engagement.


The result? The Titan performs so well at all-out combat that alliances now use them as combat ships in-lieu of using them as fleet-support. And the idea that Titans are pure combat ships are so entrenched in these people minds that they cannot stand the idea of a Titan becoming to direct combat what the Rorqual is to direct mining.



So we have people like you who spent a shitload of money on a ship because they wanted an overpriced battleship instead of a strategical support asset, now moaning because CCP seems to have realized the error of their ways (same goes with Super Carriers, btw...).




We have a name for your kind. Carebears. We also have a suggestion to you. Harden The F Up.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-10-04 23:43:01 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Sofia Bellard wrote:
It is not a troll at all.

Let me use an analogy for you:

If you have a Ford Pinto and I have a Porsche GT3 RS and we are going to race; how fair is it that because you didn't try hard in life, I am not allowed to put my car into gear while you putter off to the finish line to win?



very well then, I demand my hulk to be able to go toe to toe against 200 frigates or a HAC.

it's expensive so it must be that good, right?

right??


I demand that my Utu can kill you all by just appearing in the same system as you are in.



for the price of your utu, it should have a jumpdrive that unleashes a super AoE DD blast on arrival that does 4 billion damage in the entire system.

and a single sneeze from it would be able to kill a carrier!

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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#33 - 2011-10-04 23:45:45 UTC
Sofia Bellard wrote:
It is not a troll at all.

Let me use an analogy for you:

If you have a Ford Pinto and I have a Porsche GT3 RS and we are going to race; how fair is it that because you didn't try hard in life, I am not allowed to put my car into gear while you putter off to the finish line to win?



Well see while you were showing off your Porcsche GT3 RS at the starting line, I had a buddy of mine shove a potato in your tail pipe so you couldn't move and i won.



The above statement is a better analogy of how the eve universe works.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-10-04 23:54:35 UTC
Any analogy in EVE is pretty pointless as all the numbers in the game are completely arbitrary.

It's obvious a Titan is a fleet ship and should be flown as thus. if you don't, you have a bigger risk of losing it. Simple.

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-10-04 23:56:55 UTC
Amarr Titan Skill Bonuses: 100% bonus to Capital Energy Turret damage per level 7.5% bonus to gang members' capacitor recharge rate per level 99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules Can fit Judgement Super Weapon Can fit Jump Portal Generator Can fit Clone Vat Bay Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare

1. 100% bonus to capital energy turret damage per level.
2. 7.5% bonus to gang members capacitor recharge rate per level. 37.5% at level 5...
3. Can fit Doomsday devices... (getting nerfed)
4. Can create jump portals...
5. You can clone at it...
6. You can use up to 6 warfare link modules...
7. You are immune to all forms of electronic warfare!

Number 3 is getting nerfed to fit its purpose. Or are you upset because you believe everyone should only fly capitals? Because a couple titans are capable of destroying all sub capital ship on the playing field very easily. And being able to reach 12 million EHP very very easily, doesn't hurt either...

Honestly If you don't think they are worth the money because of the changes to number 3, than you should have uninstalled a while ago. Just saying. Lol

Something clever

Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-10-05 00:03:10 UTC
^^^ Now just needs 100% bonus to tracking speed of turrets per level ^_^

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2011-10-05 00:22:10 UTC
Headerman wrote:
^^^ Now just needs 100% bonus to tracking speed of turrets per level ^_^

You can certainly dream. If I'd wasted a bunch of isk on a titan I'd want some way to distract myself from titan nerfs too.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Akara Ito
Phalanx Solutions
#38 - 2011-10-05 00:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Akara Ito
Sofia Bellard wrote:
It is not a troll at all.

Let me use an analogy for you:

If you have a Ford Pinto and I have a Porsche GT3 RS and we are going to race; how fair is it that because you didn't try hard in life, I am not allowed to put my car into gear while you putter off to the finish line to win?


RL analogies always work in EVE.
Now I'm off to fly an Amarr shuttle into Jita 4-4 and ignite a war that will last for a decade and (not)end with some old guy standing on a carrier in front of a "mission accomplished" banner.

لجهاد سربسرب
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-10-05 00:43:43 UTC
i should be able to fit estamel's invulns on a drake and absolutely murder an erebus!!!!!!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-05 00:44:36 UTC
Sofia Bellard wrote:
With the disturbing news of the change to the titan weapon on SiSi, I wonder what will stop them from doing similar things to the rest of the ships in EVE.

If I worked really hard at the game to acquire an far superior ship that some other scrub who did just enough to get by, then by all rights then I should be able to mop the floor with his ship. It is the same for how things work in RL (real life) so why should the mold be broken now?

There is a reason why a Raven Navy Issue is superior in firepower and tank than say some crap Rupture. Mine cost an incredible amount more because it has superior tank and firepower to the Rupture. So now because he went all cheap due to his lack of effort in the game, I can't shoot him? What kind of logic is that?!

We all need to band together and let CCP know that we don't want 'welfare' in our game. The universe is cold and harsh so players need to man up and deal with it. Say no to welfare!

i too am disturbed by changes to ships that I will never fly

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar