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If I'm in my rifter flying with speed of light and press brakes....
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-10-04 13:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Which bring about some interesting questions.

Considering in this example we are using the principle that light is acting like wave not a particle.
IF you were talking to the person at the same time.
Then they would either be in a higher or lower octet depending on direction.
And depending on the relative speeds then in theory the frequency would be totally off.

Kind of bad for SETI unless they accounted for it.
They are listening on frequencies that to be honest are totally off.
Or are they running algorithms to un-compress or compress the signals depending on there target.

Hmmm

I suppose they could take the color shift on the star and use that as a baseline to adjust for the frequency shift.

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Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#22 - 2011-10-04 13:41:04 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0 -- This is what happens

yes, cheap shot, but still :)
THXBYE
Elite War Squad
#23 - 2011-10-04 13:43:25 UTC
The speed of light is physically impossible to achieve so this thread ends here.

The speed of light or anything faster than that could only be possible to achieve by bending of time and space creating smaller distances between 2 points which would work as "shortcut" to you, while the light would have to travel all the way around.

Another fail theory is slowing the speed of light in order for you to go faster than light, by cooling light beams which gives you the ILLUSION that light is going slower, but in fact atoms STILL are moving from one point to another at the speed of light.

So no.
Its impossible.
This thread makes no sense and its a waste of energy and time thinking/imagining about it trying to give it a reasonable answer.

Go play eve.

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-04 13:55:37 UTC
Hmm... would you go play eve when there is someone in uranus ?

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#25 - 2011-10-04 13:57:09 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:

If your rifter is made entirely of neutrinos then I'm not going to speculate whether his head enters uranus or uranus enters his head as the rules of relativity have been violated. (much like uranus)



This is why I love EVE forums :')
THXBYE
Elite War Squad
#26 - 2011-10-04 14:23:55 UTC
Neutrinos are a lie, they dont travel faster than light, they travel at light speed.

They forgot to add that the direction from geneva to gran sasso is the opposite of earths rotational direction.
Those 60 nanoseconds were caused by the speed of earths rotating around itself + the speed of earth traveling in space around the sun.

Fail theory will fail.
Ala Einstein.

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stoicfaux
#27 - 2011-10-04 14:33:05 UTC
It's a moot question. If the Rifter is traveling at the speed of light, then the rifter has become pure energy and is one big light. Ergo, there are no brakes to press and there are no brake lights for the person behind you to see anymore.



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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-04 15:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Why do gamma rays travel faster then the speed of light.
The school of thought is that that they have no mass.

If the speed of light was a constant then ultra-violet, x-rays gamma rays would not exist .
Einstein predicts the motion of mass in the universe as we perceive it.
The problem is our perceptions are wrong.

Particle or Wave
Define that and you will have your answer to C in a vacuum.

Humans love to use brute force, we push our way through E=MC^2
Faster then light will be possible when we start to swim through the universe.

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Pyx Jasta
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-10-04 15:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Pyx Jasta
mkint wrote:
|red|-----|white|-----|blue| ?


red - green - blue - brown P
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-10-04 15:31:35 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
It's a moot question. If the Rifter is traveling at the speed of light, then the rifter has become pure energy and is one big light. Ergo, there are no brakes to press and there are no brake lights for the person behind you to see anymore.





So, the brake is a lie?

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stoicfaux
#31 - 2011-10-04 16:15:01 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
It's a moot question. If the Rifter is traveling at the speed of light, then the rifter has become pure energy and is one big light. Ergo, there are no brakes to press and there are no brake lights for the person behind you to see anymore.





So, the brake is a lie?


Information isn't destroyed, so no, the brake is not a lie.

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Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-10-04 16:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
stoicfaux wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
It's a moot question. If the Rifter is traveling at the speed of light, then the rifter has become pure energy and is one big light. Ergo, there are no brakes to press and there are no brake lights for the person behind you to see anymore.





So, the brake is a lie?


Information isn't destroyed, so no, the brake is not a lie.



Ah, but if the brake is now turned into energy, because it is traveling at c, it becomes the idea/information of a brake, not a physical brake. Since it is turned into information/energy it cannot be interacted with without changing it, therefore it is a lie.


EDIT: Isn't physics fun?

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I'l Duce
Isk Sinkers
#33 - 2011-10-04 16:55:30 UTC
Correct answer: He sees you getting closer to him. There is no red/blueshift in EVE just check the planets as you pass them by in warp. It's just a red/blue texture overlay on both ends of warp skybox.
stoicfaux
#34 - 2011-10-04 16:59:50 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
It's a moot question. If the Rifter is traveling at the speed of light, then the rifter has become pure energy and is one big light. Ergo, there are no brakes to press and there are no brake lights for the person behind you to see anymore.





So, the brake is a lie?


Information isn't destroyed, so no, the brake is not a lie.



Ah, but if the brake is now turned into energy, because it is traveling at c, it becomes the idea/information of a brake, not a physical brake. Since it is turned into information/energy it cannot be interacted with without changing it, therefore it is a lie.


EDIT: Isn't physics fun?


Except that the universe cannot lie. Anything in the universe is, by definition, truth.

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-10-05 00:15:48 UTC
THXBYE wrote:
+ the speed of earth traveling in space around the sun.


If you knew anything about relativity you'd know what was wrong with this statement
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#36 - 2011-10-05 00:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: luZk
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
THXBYE wrote:
+ the speed of earth traveling in space around the sun.


If you knew anything about relativity you'd know what was wrong with this statement


Exactly...

If you travel at 100 m/s towards someting travelling at the speed of light, it would still hit you with only the speed of light if you rammed it.

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Seigfried Hakaari
Dark Gaia Corporation
#37 - 2011-10-05 00:52:46 UTC
The entire idea is a logical fallacy. Rifters don't have brakes, they aren't part of the Minmatar design philosophy.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-10-05 02:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
stoicfaux wrote:
It's a moot question. If the Rifter is traveling at the speed of light, then the rifter has become pure energy and is one big light. Ergo, there are no brakes to press and there are no brake lights for the person behind you to see anymore.


The Rifter has mass. So it cannot reach the speed of light but must instead travel at a lower speed defined by the amount of energy that can be used to accelerate it.

When any object accelerates closer to c, it's mass increases (the energy applied is added to the mass of the object). Because its mass increases as it accelerates, it needs even more energy to accelerate it. Its an exponential effect, the faster you go, the more energy you need to go faster. The result of this is that to accelerate any mass to light speed you need an infinite amount of energy - hence you cant break the speed of light .

A rifter at 99 percent of light speed has used so much energy to get there that it is extremely heavy and its gravity field is very hard to miss.

Only objects without mass can actually reach light speed - ie. photons - and in fact photos must travel at that speed.

There is some uncertainty in the mass of a neutrino, which is one of the reasons why CERN is busy sending them from A to B and measuring how much energy and time is needed.

So the possibility that neutrinos both have mass AND can travel faster than photons is hugely interesting. *IF* the experimental results are correct then the result is every bit as important as the Micholson-Morely experiment that showed the speed of light is fixed, finite and independent of the observer, the Luminiferous aether didn't exist and that the only explanation anyone could come up with was Special Relativity.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-10-05 02:44:57 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Why do gamma rays travel faster then the speed of light.
The school of thought is that that they have no mass.


Garbage

Gamma rays are high frequency photons. They have no mass and travel at light speed in all inertial frames
Rache Le'Bonbon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-10-05 17:00:57 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
...tail lights go red (yes rifter has those), but what will the guy behind me actually see ?


His computer screen! Roll
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