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Explorer finds large number (14) of unused decent moons in low sec
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Jesse T Pinkman
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-21 05:13:02 UTC
Hi, I was looking around using Dotlan maps and I found an odd system, that has a lot of pretty good moons with no POS's up.
It's strange because most places have POS's on EVERYTHING, but I guess this area of Aridia is just forgotten.
I have my own POS's. I do not need anymore! But I enjoy exploring.

If you look at Jita's prices, with a small moon mining POS, these are all profitable and if you add reactions that could be made all within the same systems, they could be quite valuable for some adventurous soul!

So I thought I'd share.

Yekh in Aridia, it's NPC space so it's no one's SOV.
Planet 6 moon 1 is Chromium, no POS. (Check Dotlan maps if you don't believe me: Dotlan Maps For Yekh

Planet 7 moon 3 Vanadium, no POS
Planet 7 moon 9 Chromium, no POS
Planet 7 moon 17 Chromium, no POS
Planet 8 moon 7 Platinum, an Amarr small tower with 3 small guns
Planet 8 moon 9 a Cadmium-Cobalt moon, no POS
Planet 8 moon 11 Cadmium, no POS.

Two jumps away is Feshur also NPC space without SOV:
Planet 2 moon 5 Chromium, no POS
Planet 2 moon 7 Vanadium-Cobalt, no POS
Planet 3 moon 17 Chromium, a small tower with no guns
Planet 4 moon 16 Platinum, an interesting medium tower with 3 mobile labs and yet no NPC station in system (if you know what that means)
Planet 5 moon 4 a small tower with no guns
Planet 5 moon 5 a small tower with no guns
Planet 5 moon 11, no POS
Planet 5 moon 14 Vandium-Cobalt no POS
Planet 2 moon 6 Cadmium, no POS
Planet 3 moon 5 Cadmium, no POS
Planet 5, moon 19 Cadmium, no POS

In between is Pemseh Planet 10 moon 4 Cadmium with no POS.

It's like the land that time forgot. I found this several months ago and rechecked this data yesterday, all these moons they have no POS's.

So don't tell people there are no free moons in non-claimed non-Sov space in Eve, it's just not true.
Doing the math on the above and including reactions, I could net 3.1 billion a month off all those moons with the gross taking slightly less than half my profit.

I'm tempted to use it myself, but i already have 17 POS's of my own, I've got enough to do. And yes, I'm posting on an alt. For those empire care bears, this isn't a trap, fly out in a cloaky ship and see for yourself the truth of what I say. Thanks, and good luck.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#2 - 2012-05-21 10:17:59 UTC
Jesse T Pinkman wrote:
Hi, I was looking around using Dotlan maps and I found an odd system, that has a lot of pretty good moons with no POS's up.
It's strange because most places have POS's on EVERYTHING, but I guess this area of Aridia is just forgotten.
I have my own POS's. I do not need anymore! But I enjoy exploring.

If you look at Jita's prices, with a small moon mining POS, these are all profitable and if you add reactions that could be made all within the same systems, they could be quite valuable for some adventurous soul!

So I thought I'd share.

Yekh in Aridia, it's NPC space so it's no one's SOV.
Planet 6 moon 1 is Chromium, no POS. (Check Dotlan maps if you don't believe me: Dotlan Maps For Yekh

Planet 7 moon 3 Vanadium, no POS
Planet 7 moon 9 Chromium, no POS
Planet 7 moon 17 Chromium, no POS
Planet 8 moon 7 Platinum, an Amarr small tower with 3 small guns
Planet 8 moon 9 a Cadmium-Cobalt moon, no POS
Planet 8 moon 11 Cadmium, no POS.

Two jumps away is Feshur also NPC space without SOV:
Planet 2 moon 5 Chromium, no POS
Planet 2 moon 7 Vanadium-Cobalt, no POS
Planet 3 moon 17 Chromium, a small tower with no guns
Planet 4 moon 16 Platinum, an interesting medium tower with 3 mobile labs and yet no NPC station in system (if you know what that means)
Planet 5 moon 4 a small tower with no guns
Planet 5 moon 5 a small tower with no guns
Planet 5 moon 11, no POS
Planet 5 moon 14 Vandium-Cobalt no POS
Planet 2 moon 6 Cadmium, no POS
Planet 3 moon 5 Cadmium, no POS
Planet 5, moon 19 Cadmium, no POS

In between is Pemseh Planet 10 moon 4 Cadmium with no POS.

It's like the land that time forgot. I found this several months ago and rechecked this data yesterday, all these moons they have no POS's.

So don't tell people there are no free moons in non-claimed non-Sov space in Eve, it's just not true.
Doing the math on the above and including reactions, I could net 3.1 billion a month off all those moons with the gross taking slightly less than half my profit.

I'm tempted to use it myself, but i already have 17 POS's of my own, I've got enough to do. And yes, I'm posting on an alt. For those empire care bears, this isn't a trap, fly out in a cloaky ship and see for yourself the truth of what I say. Thanks, and good luck.



Thats around 2.1 billion in fuel a month, so you would get exactly 1 billion isk return on fueling 18 pos's transporting the fuel for all of these, and risking getting popped moving to and from, not to mention the probable JF runs adding more fuel, Brining your risk vs reward and time wasted vs isk gained to next to zill. Iv seen those moons all over nullsec, they are pretty worthless unless you setup alot of reactions and dont have to worry about the random warband nuking them for lulz.
Jesse T Pinkman
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-22 02:17:33 UTC
Hi, well that's fine, I'm interested in your opinion. I would say though that I've looked at the moons now in 8 regions and this is the ONLY place I've found a cluster of open moons like this. If you know of more areas like this, as you say, all over, I'd love to know where they are.

Secondly, with prices going up, you're somewhat right, but there are ways of doing things cheaply and not having such high expenses.

I only posted this because i've read on these forums many times people saying "I can't find any open moons!"
I won't run down all the reactions, but we're clearing a LOT of isk a month with very little work in just two systems.

I did find an open Dysprosium moon in the contested system SKR as well, but that tower only lasted a month, it's a much more busy area. This area I describe in Aridia above is very very quiet.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#4 - 2012-05-22 04:06:42 UTC
Jesse T Pinkman wrote:
Hi, well that's fine, I'm interested in your opinion. I would say though that I've looked at the moons now in 8 regions and this is the ONLY place I've found a cluster of open moons like this. If you know of more areas like this, as you say, all over, I'd love to know where they are.

Secondly, with prices going up, you're somewhat right, but there are ways of doing things cheaply and not having such high expenses.

I only posted this because i've read on these forums many times people saying "I can't find any open moons!"
I won't run down all the reactions, but we're clearing a LOT of isk a month with very little work in just two systems.

I did find an open Dysprosium moon in the contested system SKR as well, but that tower only lasted a month, it's a much more busy area. This area I describe in Aridia above is very very quiet.


Go scan nullsec sov space you will see hundreds of open moons like this.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#5 - 2012-05-22 08:23:37 UTC
Plat and chrome are the only ones there that could even pay for a small tower.

Chrome died a couple of months ago, and plat died a few weeks ago due to carteling of tech (any reduction in tech volume kills its reaction partner which is plat). The system where I have my plat moon, one of the other plat moon towers got yanked by the owner and the moon is now empty. I've considered defueling my tower and yanking the valuables - at the moment its effectively a loss to fly out to it to service it.
Jesse T Pinkman
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-05-24 20:30:28 UTC
The math on this is incredibly simple now that we have fuel blocks.
You mine with small towers, I do so in Querious, Delve, Stain and Curse and have done so successfully for years.
A small tower uses 10 blocks per hour or 7200 blocks per month.

You mine 100 units of moon goo per hour, or 72,000 units per month.

I get fuel blocks for less from local suppliers, but lets just say Jita price is 20,000 isk per fuel block, that's 144,000,000 per month to fuel a small tower.

Jita price for Chromium is about 2430 per unit times 72,000 units per month = 174,960,000 isk per month.
Jita price for Platinum is about 3070 per units times 72,000 units per month = 221,040,000 isk per month.

So at today's prices you'd make about 30 mil a month on a Chromium moon and about 80 mil a month on a Platinum moon.
Therefore to say it's not profitable is incorrect. Yes, you have to unload the silo twice a month and add pos fuel, big deal.

But it must be understood that the real profit in this is final products. The point of these moons all in close proximity to each other is it's an incredible opportunity for an industrialist to run reactions from all that moon goo, all in the same system. That is not something I want to break down here, as it's a bit complex, but there is a great deal of profit to be made. That's why large successful alliances do this and almost every single decent moon in entire regions are full of POS towers.

If anyone thinks it isn't profitable why not share the locations of those moons so other players can show you how it's done.
Moe Fuggar
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-25 12:15:33 UTC
Personally, I think Sov. Space needs to be overhauled.

Or... allow moon mining in Lower Hi sec regions.
I am getting frustrated when trying to make passive ISK. I enjoy playing EVE however cannot run 6 accounts and sit on my computer all day trying to make ISK. I have a RL with wife, kids, job, etc. I have been trying to utilize PI but that is broken and gonna get Fu*ked with Dust, IMO

I have been reluctant to start the Moon-Goo thing simply because it seems like a lost cause because I don't feel like getting ganked all the time not to mention how it seems like a lot of work for little return atm. Maybe I'm wrong.
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#8 - 2012-05-25 17:43:45 UTC
Welcome to Aridia, the armpit of the Eve Cluster.

There is a reason no one puts up moon mining except for a few key systems...fly around the region for about a month and you will know why.

However, overall...it probably has the best mix of moon mining operations out of all lowsec regions in the game. You just have to treat it like sov space and be willing to go -10 to do it right. In the end, its just not worth it for industrial based groups...and pirate groups are not serious about making sure their chains are all humming along. So it goes to waste.

Delve is right next door, and if you really have the manpower, you try to take that instead...much less hassle.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#9 - 2012-05-25 18:13:34 UTC
Moe Fuggar wrote:
Personally, I think Sov. Space needs to be overhauled.

Or... allow moon mining in Lower Hi sec regions.
I am getting frustrated when trying to make passive ISK. I enjoy playing EVE however cannot run 6 accounts and sit on my computer all day trying to make ISK. I have a RL with wife, kids, job, etc. I have been trying to utilize PI but that is broken and gonna get Fu*ked with Dust, IMO

I have been reluctant to start the Moon-Goo thing simply because it seems like a lost cause because I don't feel like getting ganked all the time not to mention how it seems like a lot of work for little return atm. Maybe I'm wrong.


How is pi going to get ****** by dust? Learn to play the market. So many ways to make passive isk. or godforbid join a nullsec corp
Jesse T Pinkman
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-26 22:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jesse T Pinkman
Karash Amerius wrote:
Welcome to Aridia, the armpit of the Eve Cluster.

There is a reason no one puts up moon mining except for a few key systems...fly around the region for about a month and you will know why.

However, overall...it probably has the best mix of moon mining operations out of all lowsec regions in the game. You just have to treat it like sov space and be willing to go -10 to do it right. In the end, its just not worth it for industrial based groups...and pirate groups are not serious about making sure their chains are all humming along. So it goes to waste.

Delve is right next door, and if you really have the manpower, you try to take that instead...much less hassle.



Yes, i kinda agree with you, sorta. We've had POS and t2 manu in Aridia for years now, as well as POS in Querious and other places. Making billions a month in profits is nice considering it's just not that much work. If you scout ahead of your hauler, transport, jump freighter etc. I've yet to be ganked even once. When I get lazy and bumbe through Heir without scouting first, I've earned my ganks. There are 100's of good moons in Arida, and almost all of them have POS's. i guess all those people aren't making any money either. haha
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2012-05-27 01:21:46 UTC
Karash Amerius wrote:
Welcome to Aridia, the armpit of the Eve Cluster.

There is a reason no one puts up moon mining except for a few key systems...fly around the region for about a month and you will know why.

However, overall...it probably has the best mix of moon mining operations out of all lowsec regions in the game. You just have to treat it like sov space and be willing to go -10 to do it right. In the end, its just not worth it for industrial based groups...and pirate groups are not serious about making sure their chains are all humming along. So it goes to waste.

Delve is right next door, and if you really have the manpower, you try to take that instead...much less hassle.


Confirming that Aridia isn't prime territory. Also confirming that the locals around Yekh would totally be cool with someone just planting a POS there and wouldn't have it down in three days.
Miss Doggy
Zahadu
#12 - 2012-05-30 02:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Doggy
Zhilia Mann wrote:

Confirming that Aridia isn't prime territory. Also confirming that the locals around Yekh would totally be cool with someone just planting a POS there and wouldn't have it down in three days.



Yes, it's true, Aridia SUCKS, man, I'm tellin' you, don't EVER go there, just SUCKS.
Only 288 moons with good minerals, that's not very many.
Dotlan Aridia moons list

I mean if you don't like it, maybe ask PL for a few tech moons, they have so many I'm sure they'd lend you a few.
haha