EVE General Discussion

I play Eve during bouts of celibacy. I'm pretty sure that's why people move in and out of this game and there's not a steady ramp up in the past few years. And then you've got the the veterans who never go away

I can confirm what you say.

There is a VAST amount of PvPers who would not touch EvE with a pole.
Many PvPers are PvE averse or just want to do it as passtime when there's nothing going on.

All my other PvP games you can "level up" / recover from the losses by PvPing, you can find a fight in few seconds not hours, you can select to PvP for a score (and even money prizes), you can find PvP games where everybody starts on same grounds so fights are not decided before the first shoot is taken.

EvE came with the concept it was a sandbox, not forced PvP. One could log in, make his life including whether to play in small / large corps or even solo and generally form his own objectives. There used to be a "butterfy effect" video showing how an individual could change events massively.

Then something happened and now EvE = you WILL play as somebody else decided to.
You WILL have to join a corp, possibly PvP based or you can stay to rot in NPC corp forever and unable to access basic features like wallet divisions and similar.
You WILL have to spam directional scan in hi sec, low sec, wormholes and NPC nullsec. The most ******** and tiresome button mashing ever created in the gaming industry, makes invention look nice and streamlined.
Your most fundamental markets will be manipulated by the same 0.0 entities and cartels.
You will be constantly hammered about doing their way or quit the game or never undock.


All of this, in a game where PvP is for lolmouseclickers, no occlusion system no LOS, blob is so everywhere that they had to implement TiDi and blob is the least skilled farcical form of sheep corraling a "PvP" game can implement.

Add instant force projection, having all the battle objectives (moons) give huge power and being placed so that they can be owned by 1-2 major power blocks so they go in perma-god mode.

EvE turned into a joke, a farce I can't believe it'd rot so hard and so fast.


"But here, content is player made".

Yes and it sucks balls, and is coherced down your throat, have fun calling it "sandbox". It's mammoth alliances sandbox where what you can do is to become an irrelevant warm body in their ranks. YOUR sandbox does not matter.

Proof is the abysmally small playerbase. GW1 sold 6.5M copies and that's THE former PvP MMO (DFO was more like EvE but I quickly found out it was full of cheaters and devs did not fix it in time).
6.5M copies for a pure PvP game vs EvE's 300-350k. No, it's not because EvE is space oriented, it's because it has the best concept but a so lackluster and downright outdated and boring implementation.


Most of all, EvE's butterfly wings have been clipped.

why are you here if GW is that great??

For someone who can point out spelling errors, you sure are **** for reading comprehension.

Care to point out were I state that WoW only has 30k players?
Wait, here's an easier one, were did I even mention WoW?

While you're at it, do a better job policing spelling and gramatical errors. Multiple places? Who did you get to read the post for you?

I left the spelling errors for you this time. Wouldn't want you to get bored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU

The Butterfly Effect is a trailer all about EvE's PvP, about shooting people who weren't planning to be shot (the piewates).

The only role it advertises for the miner is as a victim.

But good choice of a trailer to use to support your argument.

abloobloobloo this game doesn't have 20 million subscriptions like world of warcraft because it doesn't railroad everyone through the "unique experience" that the other 19,999,999 players also play through

now tell me why this game has lasted 9 years without CCP going bankrupt because of their "low" subscription numbers

It's intersting as well, pretty much all the first MMO's were pvp focused.

meridian 59
UO
DAoC
Lineage
Neocrom or whatever the hell it was called.
10six

Blizzard is only a partial exception to the general trend that themepark MMOs get big subscription numbers on release, those subs lapse as people complete the available content until an expansion pops up and subs rebound, then trail off, etc. Their sub count generally looks like a rollercoaster that comes closer and closer to the dirt at the valleys until it goes *SPLAT*

Blizzard and the other successful themepark MMOs follow that pattern, but are able to pack in enough content that's hard enough to complete that they're able to coast down to their next expansion without going out of business. They've kept the coaster off the dirt so far.

EvE has been around for 8 years and the Sub Count has never significantly fallen. It's not the biggest MMO, but no other MMO has had a subscriber count that has been increasing every single year. (Even Incarna only dropped the sub count to what it was a year earlier, no lower)

Anyway, comparing a niche game run by a small company to the biggest MMO out run by one of the largest gaming companies in the world and saying the small company is failing because they're not as big as the biggest is a little .

It's like saying Trader Joe's is doing badly because it's not Wal-Mart.

It is interesting that UO was mentioned. I played that game, and had to quit when I started college, due to obvious time demands.

At that time, I had a house on Drakenfels. My next door nieghbor had a sign posted on his door: "Killing is our business. And Buisness is GOOD!" I enjoyed PvP in that game but I reaaly did not want a guild of rampant killers right next door. I couldn't even leave the house without fighting them off. Needless to say, most players found the game unplayable due to unrestricted PvP. There was heavy unrest among the PvEers (PvM back then), and they comprised the bulk of the subs. Then the DEV Team invented Trammel. I honestly believe UO would have collapsed a lot sooner if they had not done that. It created a sub culture we called Townies, or in EvE, Carebears.

EvE seems to survive just fine without resorting to a Trammel. I think the capitalistic point is: CCP would appeal to a broader audience, and make correspondingly more profits, if they did. Managing such a shift would require far more marketing and political skills than I think CCP has. They barely get the deep space pew pew right ...

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EVE is just another game of snake and ladders, a game of all ladders is boring just ask a 5 year old. Snakes is the game the ladders is how you over come them. Go back and play the basics then come back and play EVE.