EVE General Discussion

When people throw around terms like "sandbox" or "emergent gameplay", they usually only look at it from a single perspective.

For example, we can't limit a ganker's ability to gank, because this is sandbox and if ganker wants to gank, that is his prerogative and suicide ganking is an emergent gameplay.

Problem is, you also have to look at it from the miner's viewpoint. A miner wants to mine, and he doesn't want to PvP. That is his prerogative in a sandbox game. However, when a 30 mil ship can take out a 300 mil ship, something's rotten in the state of EVE. Only one faction gets attention (gankers), and the other side is told to HTFU.

Which is fine, I suppose. Except what happens when the miners/industrialists/whatever, basically what is coined "carebear" quit the game? Well, economy will collapse, for one. Secondary effect will be "PvPers" themselves quitting out of boredom - no carebears to kill, and too cowardly to take on actual PvPers. And actual PvPers will quit due to all of the above. In short order, you have one very empty server cluster.

So, as much as I am in support of "freeform sandbox" and "emergent gameplay" and all that jazz, I think a developer would have to be mighty careless to cater to just one side of the equation and hoping it will somehow balance itself.

On a personal note, I can't even imagine why someone in their right mind would ever even consider mining in EVE. It is such a horribly flawed mechanic I can't even call it "game design". And alienating people who are already doing unfun, boring and largely unrewarding activity in a game where economy depends largely on them? Not good.

This is complete nonsense. That is not how ships are balanced.

I 1v1'd a Slicer in a Rifter the other day. That's a 400K isk ship Vs a 25m isk ship. I'm pretty sure the Slicer pilot did not run off to the forum to demand that the game be changed because a ship with 1/50th of the pricetag of his just blew him up.

There are some videos floating around of a Velator rookie ship dropping Tier 3 battlecruisers. That's a 0 isk ship Vs. ~65 million.

You spend 300M on a hulk, you're spending that on its abiltiy to mine - not its ability to mine and, also, its ability to be an amazing combat ship.

Simply ask and you shall receive:


1. What about this do you perceive to be a problem for the game?

Well for me personally. I have a pretty high pressure job. Some times I just want to set down and veg a bit. Mining
hauling etc, is pretty relaxing for me. I actually enjoy it, I have been on a bit of a break from the blobs in 0.0, I'm heading back out in the next few weeks. Ok now, when I'm vegging, I get the bang bang bang, booom. then the Ha Ha Ha Haaa. Got you. Kinda spoils it for me. Know what I mean. Well I'm pretty certain this lot will never concede this simple point.

2. Why do you think it is a problem for the game?
See Above answer.

3. What would you see done about it?
I believe CCP will quietly buff all these ships in the very near future. Buffed to the point that this will become almost a no issue. I personally, am waiting to see what happens.

4. How would that benefit the game?
Simple there will be more players present. I will say this, if it isn't leveled, I will personally not renew my subscriptions. (for CCP's benifit, that is 15 accounts renewed annually) 100%
I'm just one simple player, but thrust me, that simple statement carries more weight with CCP, then all your pissing and moaning. I won't go to Wow, I'm just not into wizards and **** like that. I'll most likely see what's new in real time strategy games. I always enjoy those. I might try Chess again, although being a former Grand Master it's tough to find a good game with some one I like to play with. Not really into playing with strangers too much. Never was really.

So, I personally wont be staying too much longer as all my accounts come due in summer if something doesn't happen.

OOOH NOOOS

One last thing. I'm in no way judging anyone's play stile in this game. I'm simply stating that you have totally convinced me, I'm in the wrong place. Simple at that. No Judgments here seriously.

Yay ! Goon online ftw.

Those making an economical point about Hulkageddon should give a look at the price of Hulks.

It's sinking. 280 million and still going down.

Just sharing this for your information, dudes.

Hey! Hey, hey, hey, hey, stop right there, criminal scum.

You talk about a sandbox, and then in the same breath you use the phrase "ripples in the pond." Do you not see the corporation name? You are infringing on my personal gameplay style, which is to mix metaphors.

Oh, also, like a hyperactive quadroplegic, this thread will go nowhere fast.

The question is not if a 3m destroyer can and will gank a no tank hulk vs 5 destroyers for a tanked hulk.
The Question is, do the aggressed have enough tools to counter a random foe who has concord protection tell they choose to strike first.
Staying aware of who is in system
D-scan possible combat probes if at a grav site
Tank, to at least discourage the solo gank.

Could it be better for all? Yes.
Simply having local filtering by corp or sec status would be a leap.
Finally getting the new suspect flags in game, also a plus.

If enough "you's" pile up, they BECOME a problem for the game.



I would disagree regarding the last part. CCP is, at the end of the day, dedicated to making money but they've shown far more responsiveness to their playerbase than any other game company I've seen. I have friends who play WoW and some of the stories they have about Blizzard's policy of DGAS towards players absolutely blow me away. I don't think someone reads and catalogues everytime someone has a ragequit, but I disagree that they dont care.


I partially agree on the former and disagree on the latter.

I doubt anything substantial will be done but I do think far more of the playerbase cares than most seem to think. This does effect everyone.


I really couldn't address that, not being privy to or a member of CCP.

Instead of "wasting" time trying to have fun doing something you miners obviously have no understanding about, why don't you just do something else?

Watch a good film, read a book, have a nice pint with some friends, play fps games for 30min or play naughty games with a nice partner?

Disagree. Many of us stayed even tho we were shot at (and in some cases killed) in highsec, by people who dodged CONCORD. It was frustrating at times, but we HTFU and learned to defend ourselves.

The difference now vs then is, that alot of people feel they have some kind of 'right' to be 'safe', or that it somehow is 'bad' for EVE that people are scared of ship destruction. Imho, it's worse for EVE's future that we have that kind of mentality, than losing potential new customers. We don't "need" new players (altho it might be nice to have more), but we need to teach new players how this game has consequences. One of them, is that others gameplay might be forced upon you, like it or not.

I never really got why there's alot of people playing this game, even tho they hate some of the fundemental parts of the games concept. If I don't want permadeath in Diablo, I don't play hardcore. If I don't want to PvP in MMO's, I stick to PvE-servers, and avoid blantant PvP games. EVE has nonstop PvP flag and you risk losing your gear on death, you don't like it? wrong server (game).