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Gilgamesh19 Utama
Utama Financial Services
#1 - 2012-05-28 18:19:50 UTC
Greetings pilots of New Eden. I am Gilgamesh a trader and entrepreneur I do my family in the Amsen system proud with my accomplishments in the market. Now I have been wondering this for a while the jita trade hub must take in billions of isk in taxes and fees daily so my question is were does it all go. The Caldari State should by all means should dominate all of New Eden with superior assets and by extension a well funded military. Now this is not the case and I am curious to hear other pilots opinions on the subject.
Safai
Yaqin
#2 - 2012-05-28 18:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Safai
Sales taxes from the capsuleer market go directly to the Secure Commerce Commission, which is a division of CONCORD.

Where, exactly, the ISK goes from there I can't be certain; finances are not my forte. I presume much of the accumulated wealth would go towards funding DED and its operative fleets.
Gilgamesh19 Utama
Utama Financial Services
#3 - 2012-05-28 19:18:05 UTC
Ah of course Concord! In my personal opinion I wonder if any audits of concord finances have been taken recently. It would seem prudent that the four empires would want to make sure every bit of isk is going to the right place.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#4 - 2012-05-28 19:25:43 UTC
Gilgamesh19 Utama wrote:
Ah of course Concord! In my personal opinion I wonder if any audits of concord finances have been taken recently. It would seem prudent that the four empires would want to make sure every bit of isk is going to the right place.


Considering that the four empires are all so concerned with stopping eachother from gaining an undue influence in CONCORD so as to not strengthen their enemies positions, none of them would support this. Perhaps the Jove might have been able to use their influence to aid this, assuming that they wanted to, but your paymasters are gone.
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-05-28 20:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
Considering the sheer amount of manpower (not to mention ammunition) CONCORD uses, I really doubt it is going toward any sort of Interstellar Security's Ball or other friviolous uses.

An audit of their books would likely cause an aneurism, even in a capsuleer.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."
Gilgamesh19 Utama
Utama Financial Services
#6 - 2012-05-28 21:30:24 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
Considering the sheer amount of manpower (not to mention ammunition) CONCORD uses, I really doubt it is going toward any sort of Interstellar Security's Ball or other friviolous uses.

An audit of their books would likely cause an aneurism, even in a capsuleer.


This logic makes sense I feel my paranoia was now unjustified. Although I still feel slightly uneasy towards concord something feels wrong about them.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#7 - 2012-05-28 22:11:25 UTC
What feels wrong about an independent organization founded by the major governments to ensure some modicum of stability and cooperation between potential competitors? Granted in the years since CONCORD was created it's grown increasingly powerful and less transparent but, overall, it does far more good than harm, in my opinion.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-05-28 22:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
I'm sure too much time staring at the stars can generate trains of thought involving CONCORD taking over the whole of civilised space... but in reality - why bother? At the moment, they're the 'good guys' as it were. Purposely attracting the attention of and then aiming a collective laser to their own face from every other organization with spacefaring capabilities wouldn't be the best political move.

Not saying it isn't impossible - mind you. People have done stranger things in history. Just saying it would be rather unwise.

And.. to be fully realistic, sure it may be possible some guy or another has been getting a bigger bonus in their paycheck, as it were, than we would normally think them deserving of. But at the end of that particular solar day, does it really effect us if some guy who's never seen the inside of a pod can throw a birthday party for his kid that involves bigger party favors than the rest of the families in that particular complex can afford?

The question of "who guards the guardsmen" can be pondered on inifinitely, but it is little more than a thought exersize at the moment.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."
Hamish Grayson
#9 - 2012-05-29 19:44:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamish Grayson
Broker fees from the SCC market do go to the owners of the station, not CONCORD. This is why increasing your standings with the Caldari Navy will reduce your fees at the Jita trade hub.

I assume, Captain Utama, that you are mistaking the independent Capsuleer privateers of the State Protectorate for the Caldari Navy. Being given a letter or marque by the Providence Directorate, doesn't entitle StaPro capsuleers to funding from the Caldari Navy.

The Caldari Navy is the most sophisticated of the CONCORD member militaries, and on average each Caldari Navy ship is much newer than ships in the other fleets. This is because, in order to maintain their current numbers other empires don't decomission obsolete vessels. As a result, the Caldari Navy is smaller in total ships than the Amarr and Gallente Navy, and slightly bigger in total ships than the Republic Fleet. Also, in addition to being generally newer designs - the Caldari Navy has more Capitals and Battleships than any one of the other three Navies. Yes, having fewer total ships but more ships-of-the-line does mean that the bulk of the Caldari Navy consists of mainline warships with very little support...however; Home Guard, Peace and Order Unit, Ishukone Watch, Spacelane Patrol, Lai Dai Protection Service, Wiyrkomi Peace Corps, Internal Security and the Corporate Police Force are more than capable of providing the needed frigates, cruisers and battlecruisers to support the CN if called.

Humbly,
Hamish Grayson