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[Proposal] Removal of Darius the Third from the Counsel of Stellar Management
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Walter Stine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-04 21:07:26 UTC
I am hereby calling on Darius the Third to relinquish his Counsel of Stellar Management (CSM) alternate seat as he has disgraced the office and no longer possesses the moral authority to continue on in this capacity.

Darius the Third, or Darius III, recently leaked information from the CSM Skype channel to EN24 editor Riverini violating the trust fellow members had placed in him and trampling over the spirit if not the letter of the Non Disclosure Agreement.

His actions have proven that he can no longer objectively represent the Eve Online community and as a result he should be relived of those duties through either voluntary resignation or forced abdication by CCP.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-04 21:10:51 UTC
I second this.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2011-10-04 21:11:42 UTC
so say we all.
Tribal Solidarity
Garoun Investment Bank
#4 - 2011-10-04 21:12:32 UTC
I second this
Kaleb Rysode
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-04 21:12:55 UTC
I support this proposal.

"The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns."
Fras Siabi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-04 21:13:53 UTC
Kick Darious III.

Not all who wander are lost, but most of them are complete idiots.
Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#7 - 2011-10-04 21:21:57 UTC
I too support this
Belloch
lll tempered sea bass
#8 - 2011-10-04 21:26:21 UTC
So then you're establishing that this is the punishment for "leaking" information? Removal from the CSM?

I feel this is simply political maneuvering to remove the voice of the citizens that Darius represents. I find your tactics abhorrent, and I feel that it places a shadow of corruption on this council that will remain forever if this proposal is allowed to pass.

Darius is not the first of the CSM who has committed such a trivial transgression (if indeed he has committed any), and some of those councilors have posted in this very thread. You have provided no evidence, nor supplied the council with any compelling arguments that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Darius should be removed from the Council.

A vote in support of this motion is a vote for corruption, lawlessness, hypocrisy, and exemplifies an utter disdain for this council and everything it stands for.
Walter Stine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-04 21:35:35 UTC
Belloch wrote:
So then you're establishing that this is the punishment for "leaking" information? Removal from the CSM?

I feel this is simply political maneuvering to remove the voice of the citizens that Darius represents. I find your tactics abhorrent, and I feel that it places a shadow of corruption on this council that will remain forever if this proposal is allowed to pass.

Darius is not the first of the CSM who has committed such a trivial transgression (if indeed he has committed any), and some of those councilors have posted in this very thread. You have provided no evidence, nor supplied the council with any compelling arguments that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Darius should be removed from the Council.

A vote in support of this motion is a vote for corruption, lawlessness, hypocrisy, and exemplifies an utter disdain for this council and everything it stands for.


Apologist white washing at its finest.

The CSM represents all the voices within Eve, not just the ones who voted for them. His actions not only violate the trust placed in him by his fellow delegates but by CCP and the entire community as well.

A vote against this motion is a vote for corruption, lawlessness, hypocrisy, and exemplifies an utter disdain for this council and everything it stands for.
Suliana Atavuli
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#10 - 2011-10-04 21:36:07 UTC
Belloch wrote:


Darius is not the first of the CSM who has committed such a trivial transgression (if indeed he has committed any), and some of those councilors have posted in this very thread. You have provided no evidence, nor supplied the council with any compelling arguments that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Darius should be removed from the Council.


So you're saying that this is acceptable, and that we shouldn't consider repercussions for this or future transgressions?
Suliana Atavuli
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#11 - 2011-10-04 21:37:03 UTC
Belloch wrote:


Darius is not the first of the CSM who has committed such a trivial transgression (if indeed he has committed any), and some of those councilors have posted in this very thread. You have provided no evidence, nor supplied the council with any compelling arguments that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Darius should be removed from the Council.


So you're saying that this is acceptable, and that we shouldn't consider repercussions for this or future transgressions?
Eric Xallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-04 21:37:13 UTC
I support corruption, lawlessness, hypocrisy in this game.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#13 - 2011-10-04 21:37:40 UTC
Belloch wrote:
A vote in support of this motion is a vote for corruption, lawlessness, hypocrisy, and exemplifies an utter disdain for this council and everything it stands for.


Not following a legal document that ensures that ccp can be frank with the csm, which is absolutely vital to keep the csm relevant, isn't trivial.

Do you really think removing a member who is leaking confidential material to his friends, and is breaking legal contracts makes you corrupt, lawless, and most importantly, hypocritical?
lil Zyphad
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2011-10-04 21:44:48 UTC
I also feel violated by Darius the ThirdAttentionAttentionAttention
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#15 - 2011-10-04 21:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Karim alRashid
Look at dat, dreddits .... Roll

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Belloch
lll tempered sea bass
#16 - 2011-10-04 21:48:51 UTC
I assert that before _any_ decision is made, the accusers must bring forth Evidence of wrong-doing.

And in the event that evidence IS supplied and to be found incontrovertible and beyond reasonable doubt THEN the council must make a decision on how to proceed.

I would caution the following:

This evidence _must_ be verifiable and non-falsifiable.
This evidence _must_ demonstrate that Darius committed acts that are specifically outlined and documented in the agreement he made.
The evidence must exceed a threshold of reasonable doubt.

This is NOT a Kangaroo court, and I would pray that the citizens we have elected to guide us would not stand for burning someone at stake. Until this point we have nothing but trite accusations and heresay nonsense that is evidence of nothing other than political bantering.


Now.... In the event that such evidence is Supplied and Verified and accepted as being beyond a reasonable doubt, I would then caution ALL of the members of the council that the path forward sets a president. One that will be followed by councils that follow you and by burning Darius at the stake, you very well may likely be lighting a match to your own feet as well.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#17 - 2011-10-04 21:53:05 UTC
The cases of breach of an NDA are not at all a subject of debate between players, CSM and CCP.

Thus any proposals in Assembly Hall with such a topic are pointless and mentally challenged.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#18 - 2011-10-04 22:23:18 UTC
HD vid or it didn't happen.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-10-04 22:41:49 UTC
As said alraedy... NDA stuff is handled by CCP and their legal department.... its none of our bloody business.

Short of your usual emo-rant-rage agianst CSM.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-05 00:44:17 UTC
We are calling Darius a disgrace but not including Vile Rat and The Mittani in this?



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