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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#1 - 2012-05-29 15:31:23 UTC
Hello !

This wormhole...
"Has had its stability reduced, but not to a critical degree yet"
I've read many guides and I can't define if this means 45 or 50% of mass left.

If anyone is able to answer precisely.. Thanks !

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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#2 - 2012-05-29 15:51:51 UTC
between 10% and 50%.

Or more elaborate between 10.0000001% and 49.99999%
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#3 - 2012-05-29 15:55:01 UTC
Why can I also find 45% then ? I can understand a rounding from 45 to 50, but why would certain sites do the opposite ?
At the same time, why would websites give a number if it's not precise ?

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-29 16:00:56 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Why can I also find 45% then ? I can understand a rounding from 45 to 50, but why would certain sites do the opposite ?
At the same time, why would websites give a number if it's not precise ?


Possibly because the wormholes themselves are no precise. The actual total mass can vary by I believe upwards of +-10%
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#5 - 2012-05-29 16:03:32 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Why can I also find 45% then ? I can understand a rounding from 45 to 50, but why would certain sites do the opposite ?
At the same time, why would websites give a number if it's not precise ?


Possibly because the wormholes themselves are no precise. The actual total mass can vary by I believe upwards of +-10%


I've seen that yeah ^^

Nobody never tried to define precisely this number by making a huge amount of small jumps in key times ?

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Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#6 - 2012-05-29 16:07:37 UTC
The number is definitely 50% but people don't understand and write all sorts of things.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#7 - 2012-05-29 16:12:58 UTC
All right ! I assume that this 45% story probably comes from people finding a wormhole in the +1-10% total mass, jumping 500kt and doesn't understanding why its still above 50%

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-29 16:13:55 UTC
Altrue wrote:
At the same time, why would websites give a number if it's not precise ?


Why would somebody ever be wrong on the internet. I can not comprehend this.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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#9 - 2012-05-29 16:16:08 UTC
Point taken Lol

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#10 - 2012-05-29 16:25:47 UTC
Joran Jackson wrote:
The number is definitely 50% but people don't understand and write all sorts of things.


CCP states it's 45%. Or, at least, the page has been reviewed by CCP Habakuk (contributors list).

I will say, however, that my own experience has always been 50%, with the 10% variance on top. So believe what you will, I guess.

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Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#11 - 2012-05-29 16:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Jackson
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Joran Jackson wrote:
The number is definitely 50% but people don't understand and write all sorts of things.


CCP states it's 45%. Or, at least, the page has been reviewed by CCP Habakuk (contributors list).

I will say, however, that my own experience has always been 50%, with the 10% variance on top. So believe what you will, I guess.


It also says EOL is 25%, has anyone every found that to be the case on WH that aren't 24 hours? EOL is always 4 hours I think.

I believe that whole wiki is fubared.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#12 - 2012-05-29 16:43:59 UTC
Joran Jackson wrote:
It also says EOL is 25%, has anyone every found that to be the case on WH that aren't 24 hours? EOL is always 4 hours I think.

I believe that whole wiki is fubared.


It's 6 hours for a WH with a 24-hour life span, 4 hours for those with 16 hours. I've lived with N766 and a B274 statics, and it was correct in both those cases.

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Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#13 - 2012-05-29 16:46:54 UTC
Maybe I don't know as much as I think I do (almost certainly true) but our static is 24h and I'd bet like 100 bucks right now it's 4 hour EOL.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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#14 - 2012-05-29 17:02:12 UTC
My experience tends to agree with Nathan, but I've also seen a few anomalies in time left. (4 hours becoming 6, never seen 6 becoming 4 however)

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Bernie Nator
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#15 - 2012-05-29 17:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Bernie Nator
Joran Jackson wrote:
Maybe I don't know as much as I think I do (almost certainly true) but our static is 24h and I'd bet like 100 bucks right now it's 4 hour EOL.

It's always 4 hour EOL on a 24 hour hole. Plus or minus the 10% variance of course.

I know because i stare at holes all day.
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#16 - 2012-05-29 17:16:50 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Joran Jackson wrote:
Maybe I don't know as much as I think I do (almost certainly true) but our static is 24h and I'd bet like 100 bucks right now it's 4 hour EOL.

It's always 4 hour EOL on a 24 hour hole. Plus or minus the 10% variance of course.

I know because i stare at holes all day.


And 25% of 24 is not 4. So yeah, wiki is fubared.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#17 - 2012-05-29 17:20:14 UTC
Just to clarify on the percentage error thing: there's a difference between percentage difference and percentage point difference.

10% of 45% is 4.5% - meaning anywhere between 40.5% and 49.5%

I think though, the standard deviation is pretty narrow as in my experience it's tended to be very spot on to 45% nearly all of the time.

EONL is definitely 25% on the WH statics I have known (16hrs and 24hrs total life giving 4 and 6) but there's nothing to suggest this hasn't been improperly applied to some static types.

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School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-29 21:02:12 UTC
When I lived in a C6 > C6 WH (the static is a 24h hole) EOL time was always 4 hours.
We kept good track of iit and often ran out WHs on time in those days.

Couldnt tell you the EOL time on our current C5 static since i don't think i've ever seen it time out.

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-30 18:10:30 UTC
My 3 years of experience watching and rolling holes says it's 50/10 on the mass and always 4 hours for RENL (16 or 24 hour holes).
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-30 18:23:25 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
When I lived in a C6 > C6 WH (the static is a 24h hole) EOL time was always 4 hours.
We kept good track of iit and often ran out WHs on time in those days.

Couldnt tell you the EOL time on our current C5 static since i don't think i've ever seen it time out.


Probably 4 Hours, but I've had a few holes last longer than they should before.

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