EVE General Discussion

Obviously CCP makes real money off of Hulkageddon, by miners replacing losses, so it is likely to be around a long time. There's no motivation for CCP to do otherwise. However, there are some obvious problems with Hulkageddon with regards to gaming philosophy, and game maturation.

A hulk is supposed to be a low sec mining ship, but it can be solo ganked by a destroyer in high sec. Anyone see the imbalance there? That's one sided gaming philosophy that emphasizes PVP over all other activity. In other words the solo ganker can expect to gank solo with little cost or penalty, yet the solo miner cannot expect to mine solo.

Please no,... "Don't Mine Solo, Eve is a team game," comments. That argument is old and long since wore out, since it avoids the issue by imposing a requirement on the miner that the ganker doesn't have.

I think the real issue in EVE now is (actually has been for awhile) the game itself transitioned from a PVP intensive game to a game that offers more than just PVP. This happened through osmosis. CCP kept offering other forms of game play in order to create PVP targets, i.e.,.. mining, missioning, exploration, wormholes, PI, etc. Once the other forms of gaming are introduced they have to be cared for by CCP to keep them relevant and creating targets for PVPers. I believe what happened to EVE since I started playing many years ago, is the game matured but CCP's approach to the game didn't.

CCP, if they wake up to what happened,... has the makings of probably the best "virtual universe" game in existence. They won't have to just advertise it as such, it will be that. EVE is more than just a PVP game now. But, they continue to emphasize PVP and team play. That emphasis causes imbalance to other aspects of the game. A tangent to this point is the emphasis on team play in EVE. Truth has always been the majority of the time this game is played solo. It doesn't matter how much they promote it otherwise. If you don't believe me on this,... add up your solo play and compare it to your team play. Team play here is defined as what you are actually doing as a group, and not just being logged on and in the same chat channel together.
No MMO would survive if it didn't allow for solo play,... after all who wants to sit around waiting for their friendlies to log on and hope while doing so that they will want to do something you want to do, when they do log on.

EVE has the potential to become more than what it is,.... probably one of the most interesting actual, (as opposed to just advertised as), virtual reality games in existence but it means a new approach to its gaming philosophy to make that transition. If CCP doesn't do it,.... some other individual, group, or company will,.... and will advance the gaming industry to a new level.

Yeah, well not sure how it ended up here. I certainly didn't intend for it to be here. lol

The ganker will lose his ship. That is an imbalance we can not have. I therefore demand that every so often when a mining laser is activated a massive explosion is taking out any mining ship on grid.

For some strange reason miners seam to believe that they should be safe from losing ships. How is that fair?

Your whole chain of arguments is completely pointless because you neglect that fact that production becomes meaningless if there is no consumption. PvP with actual losses are a necessity in EVE because it keeps the economy in balance. Your statements are further just a brainfart because any properly tanked hulk will tank any catalyst. If you don't know how to fit your ship you are supposed to lose it.

I don't see how CCP can make real money from Hulkageddon.

More likely to lose money if players rage-quit. (Not a rational response, but I'm sure some will do it).

Just because you don't play the game as intended does not mean said game should be made to accommodate your preferred style of play over the (PvP/group) style that the game was originally intended. Learn to adapt, stop being a victim, it is a virtual world, like in the real world sometimes you get mugged, deal with it.

Balanced by the players who will open their wallets and buy a plex to replace their losses. The trick is to retain players willing to spend more than 15$ a month on a game.

For CCP PLEX is a liability on their books, the ONLY time PLEX is a stand alone profit is when it is used on AUR.

Disagree?

LOL, it is accounting, go study up on it if you don't understand the basic principles.

It is not a matter of opinion, that is how accounting works, PLEX is a product that was paid for but not delivered, it is a liability.

Plex is a non-existent product, CCP didn't manufacture anything, all it is is a card that says you have the right to play their game for another 30 days, nothing more. How much of a liability could it possibly be? Now when someone buys it, that's 30 days for someone in game and money for someone else, and real profit for CCP.

Now think about how many people in this game don't pay for their accounts and refuse to pay for it. Think about how many people would be dead broke if there was no way to buy in-game money, and would just quit after a while because it's too hard for them to replace their losses. This. Game. Would. Be. Dead. There's not a doubt in my mind.

lol, Im going to walk away, I don't have time to teach you how accounting works.