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Tornado for Lv3 missions.
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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-05-29 09:06:16 UTC
Alright so here's the deal: I've recently gotten my hands on a Tornado dirty cheap (I would make money should it explode). I'm currently working on my Large Projectile Turrets skill. The plan is to probably get into a Vargur/Mach, with a standard Minmatar Battleship to bridge the gap. At one point my Large Turret Skill will probably best my Medium Turret, so I figured I might take the Tornado for a spin for Lv3 missions (can't do Lv4's yet, need to grind a whole new Corp as my current one doesn't have Lv4 agents...apparently).

Anybody got a plausible fit? As long as you use your speed to make the little ships come at you at a straight line you ought to be able to pop them... no?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2012-05-29 09:10:49 UTC
The Tornado, like all the R3 BCs, is superbly unsuited for missions.
Sell it and buy a Hurricane instead.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-05-29 09:12:28 UTC
Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado.

Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2012-05-29 09:31:26 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado.

Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill.
It's hotter than a Tornado for doing missions, that's for sure — with or without large turret skills.

The tier-3 BCs are meant to shoot battleships and explode if something shoots back (and deal poorly with frigates); L3 missions involve things shooting back and no battleships (but lots of frigates).
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-05-29 09:38:01 UTC
What if you use the Dual Auto-cannons? For Large Turrets, they have respectable tracking. And you most likely would only need one or two hits to decimate a Frigate?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Aedan Vals
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-29 09:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Aedan Vals
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill.


Turret skills build on each other, so if you want to use T2 large projectile turrets you must learn the T2 medium ones with specialization lvl4.

So the only way you can actually have better large gun skills than medium is that you learn the large spec to lvl5 which takes as long as a lvl5 battleship skill so not likely you will train it soon.

edit: listen to others, the hurri just simply better especially to lvl3s where the medium guns are better
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-05-29 09:44:06 UTC
Really? Good thing my Small Turret skill is the best of the bunch then, as I assume I need them for Medium Specialization?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
HeWhoLikesGuns
SmokingGuns Corp
#8 - 2012-05-29 09:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: HeWhoLikesGuns
ive not seen a l3 for quite some time, but no drones on the tornado means no flying alone. it is surely possible to avoid the tacklers for a while but sooner or later you will die. i also predict it to be a pain in the ass to fly because constantly having to keep your distance also means less dmg on an autocannon fit.

but for the missions where you can warp in at range and snipe everything (arty fit) it possibly is a good choice.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#9 - 2012-05-29 09:45:34 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
What if you use the Dual Auto-cannons? For Large Turrets, they have respectable tracking. And you most likely would only need one or two hits to decimate a Frigate?


There is no sane fit that will work well. If you must use it then you will have to conjure a half arsed armor tank (still good enough for lvl3s) to have all those mids free for webs(2) and painters(2) to allow your autocannons to track close orbitting frigs reliably. At which point I fear you might prefer a Hurricane as previously suggested. If the Nado had 5 light drones like the Talon does it would be a different ball game as you would be fitting passive shiled tank damage mods and enhancers to make a killer missioner relying on the drones to do the npc inties in.

Alternatively (and you ll thank me for this) sell the Nado and buy a Cane or a Phoon. The latter has lots of drones and missles and your beloved L projectiles if you must have them.
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#10 - 2012-05-29 10:10:53 UTC
I was flying some L4 with an oracle lately, so i see no point it should not be possible to do the same with a tornado. of course there are some drawbacks, you can only do missions where you can control the range, warping in to close to tacklers or spider drones will ruin your day.

also a 1400mm-tornado doesnt do as much dps as a tachyon-oracle but as you will be shooting small targets you guns will overkill most of the time so not really a problem here

[Oracle, Sniper]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

a similar fitting for a tornado would be something like this, but i have only tried with the oracle

[Tornado, Sniper]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I

pro tornado is speed, better falloff, better cap stability
pro oracle is damage, better optimal, no ammo consumption (except faction/t2)

as i said above, you cant do every mission with it - if you dont know what you are facing, dont do it with such ships.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-29 10:46:47 UTC
It will be pain in the ass to shoot frigates, especially when you have low/average turret skills (I assume you have)
so yeah, go for a cane
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-29 10:50:37 UTC
Tub Chil wrote:
It will be pain in the ass to shoot frigates, especially when you have low/average turret skills (I assume you have)
so yeah, go for a cane


The support Gunnery skills are pretty good actually. Since they apply to all Turrets, I decided to train them first. It is the main Medium and Large Turret skills that are somewhat lackluster.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-05-29 11:26:21 UTC
If you're going to take a Tornado into a L3 mission space, bring escorts in frigates and cruisers.

Seriously. One rat frigate webbing and/or scramming you will ruin your day, and even with the smallest autocannons and lots of tracking boosts, it's too easy for the rats to get under your guns if you get a close-range spawn. Never forget that you're basically flying a high-speed beer can. Okay, it's a beer can with a Maelstrom's broadside, so you can one-shot a rat battlecruiser if you've got the proper firing geometry and the right weapons, but god help you when those smaller ships get to close range.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-29 11:51:58 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
If you're going to take a Tornado into a L3 mission space, bring escorts in frigates and cruisers.

Seriously. One rat frigate webbing and/or scramming you will ruin your day, and even with the smallest autocannons and lots of tracking boosts, it's too easy for the rats to get under your guns if you get a close-range spawn. Never forget that you're basically flying a high-speed beer can. Okay, it's a beer can with a Maelstrom's broadside, so you can one-shot a rat battlecruiser if you've got the proper firing geometry and the right weapons, but god help you when those smaller ships get to close range.


I never ever do missions without looking 'em up on EVE-survival these days. They usually mention web/scrambles so you can take 'em out right quick.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#15 - 2012-05-29 12:02:50 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado.

Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill.


Large Projectile Turret 4 does not mean it is more useful than Medium Projectile Turret 3 mate.

You have much more to learn
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-29 12:11:04 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado.

Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill.


Large Projectile Turret 4 does not mean it is more useful than Medium Projectile Turret 3 mate.

You have much more to learn


Since my intentions are to move on up to a Battleship, I'd say it is more useful. Of course, I mean that in this scenario only, not in general.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-29 12:12:57 UTC
i once tried to get the tornado to work with one medium or small gun. iirc the best case scenario was that you would deal ~40dps to obiting figates which is half as much as a set of light drones. i never tried it myself though so feel free to go for it.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2012-05-29 12:16:59 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Since my intentions are to move on up to a Battleship, I'd say it is more useful. Of course, I mean that in this scenario only, not in general.
In this scenario — running L3s — Medium Projectile III will indeed be more useful than Large Projectile IV.

Battleships (and their weapons) are not particularly useful for lower-level missions.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-29 12:20:43 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
i once tried to get the tornado to work with one medium or small gun. iirc the best case scenario was that you would deal ~40dps to obiting figates which is half as much as a set of light drones. i never tried it myself though so feel free to go for it.


Err. Wouldn't dream of it. Unless you have bonuses to Drones, I wouldn't fit any ship with Turrets it doesn't get bonuses for...

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-29 12:29:39 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i once tried to get the tornado to work with one medium or small gun. iirc the best case scenario was that you would deal ~40dps to obiting figates which is half as much as a set of light drones. i never tried it myself though so feel free to go for it.


Err. Wouldn't dream of it. Unless you have bonuses to Drones, I wouldn't fit any ship with Turrets it doesn't get bonuses for...

...unless you desperately wanted the ship to work in a situation it is not really suited for. see it like this: you sacrifice ~15% of the tornado's overabundant dps for the safety of being able to warp out at any given time.

I should buy an Ishtar.
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