Crime & Punishment

Revenge can be gotten if you want to. Not by me mind you. I don't really care. Well I care enough to post this reply, but that's about it.

Recently someone made a site to facilitate this kind of revenge called eve hit list, but he put it on hiatus since he couldn't secure a trusted third party to hold the money. It might go up again, but i dunno.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=111332

Anyhow, you might want to read his ideas since in my opinion they weren't half bad. It counter-acts the suicide by alt, which is more or less your main issue when trying to offer money for loss. The idea of not just going after kills but actually going after destroyed value is another interesting aspect. It ensures that in the end your killer lost more ISK from killing you then they gained.

Now granted, the person who originally killed you would probably just be happy that you send people after him, it would just mean more pvp for him. And most people don't undock what they are not prepared to lose so the ISK hit he takes by losing ships will in all likelihood not be an issue to him.

But such endeavors are not about what he likes or wants it's about what you want. So if you want to place ISK on his head then that's a possibility, you will have to organize it yourself and find people who are willing to make a buck. You might even want to contact that guy that made the above mentioned site to see if he knows people or corps who would be willing to help to that end.

Your biggest issue would be for people to trust that you will actually cough up the money once a kill is made. You will probably have to find a trusted third party. Most actual trusted third parties will not deal in small amounts, so I doubt anyone would be interested to play escrow for 500M or something. But Maybe if you give them a cut as well, I dunno. The only person I know is chribba, but I'm sure there are a few more.

But it's not impossible, just kind of hard to find the right people to help you out.

I am willing to accept donations !

Well it's quite common to think like that, but concord wasn't too late. Concord punishes a crime, it does not prevent crime.

Eve is not a game with safety, hi-sec is more or less as safe as it gets and that includes people being able to kill you if they want to. It's also a common misconception that it is about griefing or collecting tears. While obviously there are those who have that as their primary goal, there are also quite a few who do it to make money. Hulkageddon obviously helps in this respect but isn't even necessary. People have done the math, done the ground work. To get an insight into this you might want to read a blog post by a friend of mine who wrote an in-depth blog post about it. If only to see that it isn't just a random thing, but actually requires some effort.
http://kaedamaxwell.blogspot.com/2012/05/ganking-hulks-for-profit.html

However, it's not potluck. There are various things you can do to prevent getting killed. All of them require some knowledge of the game though, as is with all aspects of eve. You can never be 100% safe. But that's eve for you. It might not be the game for you and that is fine.

And you shouldn't pity those that play the game. It's a game, those who play it either like it or haven't discovered yet that they don't. Either way, if people don't like it they will stop playing. It's that simple.

CCP also doesn't just do graphics. In-fact graphics hasn't been the main focus for quite a while. They have however neglected industry & mining for quite a while. But the winter update should have some stuff in it for that, to make mining a bit more interesting.

Anyway, if you want an eve like experience but without the PvP you might want to check out X3. It's a single player game with some similar aspects as eve has. Although a much larger focus on industry and trade. And as far as I know combat is totally optional in the game. I found it rather boring after a while because there are no other players to interact with, but it might just scratch your itch.

As I already said, no serious merc would take this.
Hunting -10 suicide gankers take a lot of time ; most of them are just alts that will get loggued in when the main is bored.
It's very difficult to catch them : camping their stations ? They could redock. Trying to get them when they are boarding a thrasher/catalyst from an orca ? If they're serious about suicide ganking it won't be easy (in a POS, or a cloaky orca).

The only way to catch them would be to park a bait hulk under their nose.

This is not a contract I would accept. Because 1) it has very low chance to succeed 2) I would not accept a contract from someone that is leaving the game 3) I don't fly an hulk/will not fly a mining ship/have a ss too low anyway 4) 500m is definitively not enough for the hundred hours of stalking to get one.

I hope you liked giving your killers 500m ISK, because Bounties are a joke. They'll just get an alt to pop themselves and take your delicious ISK.

roigon, it does'nt take a math degree to figure out how to make money during hulkageddon.

If you have watched The Fifth Element and remember Gary Oldmans speech (before he chokes on the cherry), thats enough.

This however is idealised. Dont forget that CCP have complete control over the game so they can do as they please.

As for the pot luck, well, i agree its not 100% safe. But then there are no degrees of safety either. Given a fleet size you can get killed by suicide gank in 1.0 as much as in 0.5. Now that, is pot luck and sec status is just for...graphics..
Those that do want it to be safe in high sec, will leave in the end. Its no problem to start with, you can always entice more geeky carebears to do this stuff, but after a while word gets out or another game comes along..

When the game advertises things like highsec and concord and then you end up dead, some people might call it misleading. The game in *unrated* by ESRB too. Not sure if thats good or bad.

That i feel pity, is a reflex after what happened. It will probably go away, dont worry, and dont take that too hard most online gamers, we dont have a life etc etc.

The fact that "its just a game" is said a lot of many games. True I should'nt worry too much about it, what I do concern myself with though, is what kind of game is it.

As for the graphics, please, look at the work behind the character customisation...What a waste of resources...and hard disk space. Not to mention station environments..10 years to do that?! And it hogs the PC like Hanibal in the lamb farm.

I dare say that besides the basic mechanics it started with in the years up to and including T2 EVE has not evolved in it mechanics as much as other online games. Sad, but true. Not for a good few years. And i doubt that what they have, for example the complexity of ME/PE/invention has any point at all except just that i.e to be complicated. And more graphics. More dots...

Perhaps incursions which i havent bothered with tried to cater for pvp in highsec, but after today, it clearly hasnt. Come to think of it, what happened to me wasnt PVP, It was like shooting fish in a barrel...So yeah i do pity them.

The have also been terribly slow incorporating community addons like WoW has done. Sorry its the online game leader and even after dropping lately to 8million subscribers is a lot more than 50k.

In the end online games differ from single-player games like X3 you mentioned in one important aspect, interaction with other people.

Its preferable to get that right, than having people sit and look at a roid for 30minutes or need a math degree to figure out if its worth making a t2 ship. Its ok abt the math all games have some, but if you screw up people interaction...

I believe there is a big misunderstanding about freedom and rules. Usualy to much freedom ends in implosion.

Perhaps it preferable to rid the game of mining and manufacturing all together. It would still be enjoyable.

Thats all for you to find out in the future though..

1) get some friends
2) The fact that i am leaving the game shouldnt be your concern. The isk you can make, on the other hand, i guess it depends on the amount of isk doesnt it? If i gave you enough isk i am sure you or someone else would do this
3) why do you need to fly a hulk?
4) Agreed, it was just a starter on one of the chars that has negative standing enough to get a bounty

Having said all that and done some research, I know where they live and I know which alliances to support if I want them wiped out.
I am not sure if you qualify, in any case thank you for the reply and the info

What kind of strategic approach do you adopt when planing an attack run on a ice field? warp in target activate AFK off for 15min and return. Yea your really playing the game to its full there my friend, I think you had the right idea in one of your firsts posts WoW sounds like a nice fit for you.

Seriously. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

So beautiful, makes me wish I could fly Indy....

Sucks doesn't it?