EVE General Discussion

OP is bad at space and worse at posting. He deserves to die (ingame).

Apparently he's tanking his hulk now, so I'm going to go ahead and put a hundred million isk bounty on it. Send me the killmail to claim it.

(Ingame link or api verified on eve-kill, dated after the time of this post, only valid for one kill. Final blow receives the isk.)

You pay to play EvE. EvE is a game designed explicitly to include non-consensual PvP.

If you don't like non-consensual PvP, you can play on SiSi or you can play a game that doesn't include non-consensual PvP.


Anyway, CCP has said multiple times that non-consensual PvP isn't griefing and has defined specific actions that are griefing. If people are griefing you *per CCP's definition* you should report them.

The bounty hunter system in EVE is broken. Should be able to attack anyone in hisec with a bounty on their head and pod them without CONCORD interference.
That would fix alot of problems.

in all honesty i think the OP dose have some valid points and i haven't seen anyone in this thread debate him on this lvl ..... Valid questions that maybe CCP should adress.. But there again CCP just wants it's money and wants us to blow stuff up so :))) sry op sandbox rules...

Perhaps deny NPC station privileges at a certain bounty as well.

The OP is correct in every respect. The only people who'd dispute that are the systematic violators. They of course will post to this thread couching their responses in "objectivity" as well as "inside knowledge of the game" and "veterans who understand Eve is a 'cold, harsh environment - so stop whining'." Along with that, as can be seen, are the accusations you're just not fitting your ship right.

What is absent is the admission that null and low sec, where this "play style" is intended to occur are empty enough - or being held in a state of stasis by the occupants - giving rise to a claim that high sec should be turned into low or null so there's an excuse for griefing - it's just normal play. The intent of CCP in going to the extreme to carefully define griefing, the fact CSM members (one forcibly retired of late) are FRIENDS of certain CCP upper ups and are literally being catered to, and the resultant inaction on CCP's part (pretending to hide behind the fact that there are "sore losers in life as in EVE"), not only exacerbates the situation, but puts CCP's seal of approval on it. This is up to and including sanctioning by placing the events in the MOTD as "player generated content."

I've on many occassions pointed out how with the NPC sovereignty allusions the game is an object of ridicule, as these mighty virtual kingdoms are powerless to control debilitating crime in their most "safe" regions, along with the absurdity of sovereign powers renting out their security to Rent-A-Cops that use a narrowly drawn set of response parameters - which amount to "Don't make us do anything. We were just enjoying our donuts." I've advocated for criminal flags with NO time limit, and acknowledgement of the fact that allowing criminals to dock in this NPC's sovereign domain anywhere is collusion and accessory after the fact, which makes the owners of said stations criminals as well. Such is the analog reality. Without that exercise in power, any definition of sovereignty becomes a joke.

In the face of such observations of fact, CCP has ignored it all, leaving me to believe they have little to no understanding of such matters. The fact they specialize in computer programming, and not in game design and especially not in the field of politics, law and concepts such as sovereignty is proved by their ineptitude in the matter the OP defines so sharply and so well. Judging by the videos from the recent Fanfest, it is more than evident their behavior is so adolescent in the extreme, it beggars belief to think they could rise to the occassion and bring themselves to understand the social, cultural and so state dynamics about which the OP remarks, and which I've pointed out on several occassions.

I guess we should be gratified they did bring in a phd in economics at one time, admitting they were in over their heads in matters such as these. I'm convinced they're so ill-educated, and incompetent in affairs of state as a dynamic that observations such that we make here go over their heads as well. (The bottle of Jaeger on the table in the videos doesn't offer much encouragement.)

I hasten to add I'm more than suspicious CCP is now using EVE as a cash cow and has no intention in examining its model for this particular set of absurdities and so finding a solution, as now their attention is fully on SONY and Dust. I fully expect at some point in the future EVE's development will become tokenistic and then non-existent - relegated to legacy.

So...there you go. They've turned the asylum over to the inmates who're convinced they're the true doctors of EVE. And, they think they're smart in doing so. Worse mistakes have been made. They'll walk away with the satisfaction that "There once was this game called EVE Online...and WE invented it." May their grandchildren be pleased to hear this bedtime story. And, let's try not to forget the rigged tournament last year...there's another tourney this year!
I wonder who's been designated to win this time?

that is fun....if i wanted to mine by myself in a vacume with no other players....well i'd go seek medical help.

Or play the X series of games