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Nvidia 3D Vision + EVE

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-10-03 22:43:48 UTC
3D has the exception that it actually does something. Where as when High Definition became huge it was really just a resolution. This TV now with 1920x1080! Or 1080p for example. Come see this new movie in high definition! Oh wait... We can't do that because it makes zero ******* sense. Like many other 3D does give me a headache. But hey some people like it, some people simply do not. I personally could careless about playing in 3D. That is of course until we have minority report status 3D interaction Big smile.

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-10-03 22:52:45 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a downer, cause really, I'm not, but I keep seeing this topic come back every month or so. I had always thought that 3D was just a gimmick, is it really worth getting into?


It makes probing much easier and makes the tactical overlay much more useful.

EDIT: Aside from the above, it doesn't really do much for EVE, because of the lack of perspective. Most objects are so far away that you can't perceive any depth on them, and the UI elements are rendered in 2d, not in the 3d environment. This means that all of your brackets seem to be "floating" in the middle of nowhere when you turn the 3d on.



What about your CQ and later on the entire station. How nice would it be to see some depth on the station and maybe even see your ship in it's hangar in 3D. Would give ship spinning a whole new level.

JP


If I wanted to set my graphics card on fire, I would throw it into a bonfire Lol
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-10-04 06:12:11 UTC
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/tridef-stereoscopic-3d-gaming,3019.html

Quite a good review of current 3Dness and games with ATI and NVidia.

Since i have an ATI card with a DP, i am thinking of now buying a decent 27" 3d monitor; even if CCP are using NVidia to work on their coding for 3D, it should still be ported easily to ATIs setup

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oematoema
The Muppet Show
#24 - 2011-10-04 06:54:33 UTC
Maridius Kurvora wrote:
tl;dr Would be great to have an update from CCP, if possible, it would be nice to be able to have the option to turn it on and off.


You might as well ask for world peace. Also [signature].

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-10-04 09:55:44 UTC
they had a couple of monitors to play with last fanfest with the 3d all set up.

It would be great if you didnt have to wear those glasses.

Even though it was kinda cool, i still think its just a gimmick, the same goes with 3d at the cinema.

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Rheya Kelvin
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-10-04 10:09:12 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
they had a couple of monitors to play with last fanfest with the 3d all set up.

It would be great if you didnt have to wear those glasses.

Even though it was kinda cool, i still think its just a gimmick, the same goes with 3d at the cinema.


Passive 3D monitors are currently being released so no need for 3D glasses, the quality isn't as good as the monitors that require glasses but give it time, so many people cry about having to wear the glasses so this will most likely be the solution in time...

3D isn't a gimmick, it'll be here to stay, I remember when people spoke about bluray in the same way, now it has been accepted by all.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-10-04 10:51:32 UTC
Rheya Kelvin wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
they had a couple of monitors to play with last fanfest with the 3d all set up.

It would be great if you didnt have to wear those glasses.

Even though it was kinda cool, i still think its just a gimmick, the same goes with 3d at the cinema.


Passive 3D monitors are currently being released so no need for 3D glasses, the quality isn't as good as the monitors that require glasses but give it time, so many people cry about having to wear the glasses so this will most likely be the solution in time...

3D isn't a gimmick, it'll be here to stay, I remember when people spoke about bluray in the same way, now it has been accepted by all.





it still makes my head hurt like hell.


also it's only not a gimmic because the theatres embraced it with the added bonus of cashing out more $$$. it's the only reason why it isn't a gimmic.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-04 11:34:13 UTC
the thing with the 3d glasses at the cinema, it makes the screen look so much smaller. I like the cinema screen to feel big.

Also, god help you if you already wear glasses to see... (Yo, i herd you liek glasses, so i put some glasses on your glasses..... etc)

I prefer going to the cinema to see non-3d films. Also, plenty of films in 3d seem to be 3d for the sake of it, THATS why its a gimmick.

[tinfoilhat]
my personal stance on the subject is that 3D is only being pushed because it gives George Lucas yet another reason to re-release the starwars franchise on dvd again, but this time in THREEEE DEEEEEEE !!!!!oneoneone1
[/tinfoilhat]

COME AT ME BRO

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alwaysZeroHour
#29 - 2011-10-04 12:03:56 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
it still makes my head hurt like hell.


Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv?

Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it.
The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%.
A Lunchbox
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#30 - 2011-10-04 12:20:23 UTC
Petitioning for 3d glasses in the NEX store. Not the new ones either, the 1980s blue and red ones.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-04 16:14:18 UTC
alwaysZeroHour wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
it still makes my head hurt like hell.


Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv?

Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it.
The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%.



yes I have.

I got a headache for watching it. Even watching those passive 3D screens that don't require glasses makes my eyesight more tired than usual. Basically watching anything 3D for half hour is the same thing as watching something for 4 hours straight.


and no I'm not saying to stop supporting it, I'm just complaining about how my eyes can't handle it.


also it is a gimmick. a very successful one at that, since the only thing that provides is WOW factor. Sure it looks awesome, but that's all that really provides in the end, an "AWESOME!" feeling that will fade away after you watch if enough times.

it also makes my movie ticket expensive, and THAT'S what I hate the most.

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Verone
Veto Corp
#32 - 2011-10-04 17:05:29 UTC
Tried Eve in 3D at Fanfest, vastly prefer 2D tbh.

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alwaysZeroHour
#33 - 2011-10-04 18:16:46 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
alwaysZeroHour wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
it still makes my head hurt like hell.


Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv?

Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it.
The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%.



yes I have.

I got a headache for watching it. Even watching those passive 3D screens that don't require glasses makes my eyesight more tired than usual. Basically watching anything 3D for half hour is the same thing as watching something for 4 hours straight.


and no I'm not saying to stop supporting it, I'm just complaining about how my eyes can't handle it.


also it is a gimmick. a very successful one at that, since the only thing that provides is WOW factor. Sure it looks awesome, but that's all that really provides in the end, an "AWESOME!" feeling that will fade away after you watch if enough times.

it also makes my movie ticket expensive, and THAT'S what I hate the most.


You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things.
Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL....
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-10-04 19:11:25 UTC
alwaysZeroHour wrote:
You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things.
Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL....



oh now you're just trollingLol

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alwaysZeroHour
#35 - 2011-10-04 22:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: alwaysZeroHour
Grimpak wrote:
alwaysZeroHour wrote:
You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things.
Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL....



oh now you're just trollingLol


hehe yep BlinkTwisted
Rheya Kelvin
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-10-07 11:07:55 UTC
Now that Incarna is on the back burner + ship spinning is most likely coming back...

Go turn on 3D vision again CCP.
xaja
yoni corporation
#37 - 2011-10-07 21:33:20 UTC  |  Edited by: xaja
Grimpak wrote:
I'll stop slag it once my head stops hurting.


You just have crappy gear.

A lot of the older 3D glasses are crap, any interference and they go out of sync constantly.
Further, any fluerescent lighting in your room can mess it up, cause they flicker at 60Hz

There's a number of current 2011 models of 3D glasses that handle the sync issues of older glasses much better.

The other option would be to just go for polarized, non-shutter glasses. Cuts down resolution somewhat, but has the benefit of your glasses not needing batteries, never flickering and being lighter weight.
xaja
yoni corporation
#38 - 2011-10-07 21:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: xaja
Headerman wrote:
I'd buy into it, when ATI have a comparable product and when it's again enabled for EVE


ATI / AMD does have a comparable, or by some accounts better product.

Nvidia's 3D solution is proprietary, only people they specifically partner with can make glasses or screens for that.

AMD's 3D solution is an open standard with openly published and freely available APIs, anybody can write or build stuff for. There are 3D drivers for Radeon cards from several different companies you can download. The one I use supports every 3D technology I've ever heard of, like 8 or 9 of them (I didn't even know there were that many)

The upshot is, no matter what screen you use, you can use it for 3D with Radeon cards, so long as the screen supports 120 Hz refresh, which includes most 2011 Flat screen TV's and some rather nice 24" to 27" 3D computer monitors.
A 24" 3D computer monitor will set you back between $250 and $350 from what I saw on eBay or various price checkers.
A 27" 3D computer monitor will cost you $500 to $600, but for the same money you can also get a 32" or 37" 3D TV instead.

I don't know in how far these drivers would depend on a Game like EVE allowing or denying 3D, so far, I've been able to render anything in 3D, whether it officially supported it or not. Of course, any given card has to be strong enough to supply sufficient frames per second.

So, if you plan on playing Metro in 3D, you better have enough cash to cough up for the very latest cards.
KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-10-07 21:52:02 UTC
alwaysZeroHour wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls.


Haters gonna hate..... dont post pointless crap.

3D is amazing, those that dont have it slag it, those that do know what I am talking about.


Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population.

I think the biggest reason 3D is referred to as "Gimmicky" is because when someone implements 3D, they go for an "OOH LOOK, 3D!!!11oneone111!" moment, commonly including those moments where random objects fly straight towards the screen for no ******* reason at all. The technology is arguably not a gimmick, the application of it almost always is.

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xaja
yoni corporation
#40 - 2011-10-07 22:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: xaja
KFenn wrote:
Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches.

For a reason: the flicker of badly synced glasses or fluorescent light messing up the effect.

without specific issues, 3D hasn't caused anybody headaches, or do you see a lot of people walking around outside holding their heads?
- Oh never mind, I guess that must be the reason for all the OTC headache pills that have been selling well since the invention of Aspirin sometime in the 1800's... that damned third dimension we always have to deal with. Blink


KFenn wrote:
And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population.

What? Shocked A fairly large portion of the human population or just your family?

.....like what percentage do you regard as "fairly large"?


I guess all those Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans should just stop working on making better 3D, cause there's a bunch of handicapped people who don't get anything out of it.

You go get people to stop building stairwells too, those aren't fair either....
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