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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#81 - 2011-10-04 18:57:10 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
No I know you guys have limitless money and industrial power. The real limit is skilled characters you are willing to have take a standing hit

It's a funny old game, you can get to -10 and keep on gankin' in highsec.

The only limit on how often people will do this, is their level of commitment.


Sure, you can keep griefing (let's not call it ganking, I'd like to reserve that word for low sec players who are far more creative than you) all you want regardless of your sec level. But for all that other stuff - like - moving goods to and from the market hubs, well, that's hard to do with -10. So you can choose to stay a null-bear forever where -10 doesn't matter, but you will always have to rely on someone else to move your stuff around for you for a long, long time. Like you said, it takes a lot of commitment. On a throwaway alt, who cares. But on a real char? Hmmm.


The "use an alt" angle has been well covered, but there's a much bigger pile of shitard in this message.

Why would being -10 a problem, except for highsec?

You act like everything of value is in highsec .... which, frankly, it is not. For an ice miner to call someone a "bear" is frankly, borderline ridiculous. Can you even keep a straight face saying it?

The phrase "null bear" is completely horse-****. You can apply it to a few corps (and alliances, sure) but you can't apply it to alliances who are, in effect, doing PVP on an daily / hourly basis.

For what it is worth, I am not affiliated to Goonswarm in any way. I do however gank ice miners, because ... well you get bullshit like this to laugh about. I also spend time in lowsec (where all the PVP occurs in your head) as well as null and wormholes. I'm also pretty creative in how I blow up tards who aren't mining ice. A recent side hobby has been extorting ice miners for large sums of ISK.

A mail here, a mail there.. and I have a few hundred mil for about 15mins work. Stack that against your "60mil an hour" boast and laugh at yourself. Hint: 60mil an hour is possible within 5 weeks of starting the game. Hint 2: it doesn't involve mining.

This ISK I use to fit alpha ships to blow up more miners. Which no RR and "fast lockers" and "neut ships" has yet to find a way to block.

Soldier on, good sir

o7

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#82 - 2011-10-04 18:58:50 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Travis Wells wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Yeah, I mean since we're sharing pictures of empty belts and everything:

http://i.imgur.com/GfrCH.jpg


Oh wait, what?



COOL OP BRO


It was an idea I was playing with. Thanks for pointing that out, lolz. Almost as good as posting gonegalt in a public forum. All I have to do is change the name now.

somehow i don't think the jabber channel name is gonna help you much


No, that's why I burned the channel with my post yesterday. Apart from a few laughs I wasn't getting any useful intel anyway apart from "hmm the goons are up to something". The suicide bomber always has tactical surprise anyway.
Guillaume LeConquerant
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2011-10-04 18:59:26 UTC

STOP POSTING, WHAT ABOUT MY STORY Shocked
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2011-10-04 19:01:41 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Travis Wells wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Yeah, I mean since we're sharing pictures of empty belts and everything:

http://i.imgur.com/GfrCH.jpg


Oh wait, what?



COOL OP BRO


It was an idea I was playing with. Thanks for pointing that out, lolz. Almost as good as posting gonegalt in a public forum. All I have to do is change the name now.

somehow i don't think the jabber channel name is gonna help you much


No, that's why I burned the channel with my post yesterday. Apart from a few laughs I wasn't getting any useful intel anyway apart from "hmm the goons are up to something". The suicide bomber always has tactical surprise anyway.


that would be because a jabber channel isn't an ingame channel

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2011-10-04 19:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Travis Wells
Ptraci wrote:
But for all that other stuff - like - moving goods to and from the market hubs, well, that's hard to do with -10. So you can choose to stay a null-bear forever where -10 doesn't matter, but you will always have to rely on someone else to move your stuff around for you for a long, long time. Like you said, it takes a lot of commitment. On a throwaway alt, who cares. But on a real char? Hmmm.


If i was a null-bear can you explain to me how i am in empire blowing up miners?

what the **** is a null bear?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2011-10-04 19:02:34 UTC
a jabber channel is a channel on goonfleet.com jabber not an in-game channel called "gonegalt" jesus you're dumb

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2011-10-04 19:03:55 UTC
"suprisingly, spying on a channel filled only with people who were in the wrong place produced little actionable intel"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#88 - 2011-10-04 19:04:43 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Yeah, I mean since we're sharing pictures of empty belts and everything:

http://i.imgur.com/GfrCH.jpg


Oh wait, what?


What I see here, is 9 accounts being used to support 6 actual miners.

Good ISK per hour in that setup, then? Roll

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#89 - 2011-10-04 19:06:31 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Travis Wells wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Yeah, I mean since we're sharing pictures of empty belts and everything:

http://i.imgur.com/GfrCH.jpg


Oh wait, what?



COOL OP BRO


It was an idea I was playing with. Thanks for pointing that out, lolz. Almost as good as posting gonegalt in a public forum. All I have to do is change the name now.

somehow i don't think the jabber channel name is gonna help you much


No, that's why I burned the channel with my post yesterday. Apart from a few laughs I wasn't getting any useful intel anyway apart from "hmm the goons are up to something". The suicide bomber always has tactical surprise anyway.


Master spy right here.

You sure showed those goons and their in-game channel.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#90 - 2011-10-04 19:11:10 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hint 2: it doesn't involve mining.

This ISK I use to fit alpha ships to blow up more miners. Which no RR and "fast lockers" and "neut ships" has yet to find a way to block.

Soldier on, good sir

o7


And who collects the minerals to make those ships and the fuel to run the towers of the stations where they are made? Miners. This is the old blah blah I'm a piwate I am so much better than you argument. You play your way, I play mine. While you might like doing 15 minutes spurts of adrenaline, I like being able to do other stuff between cycles. But just the fact that the goons are able to squeeze the price of isotopes so easily underlines just how badly you need miners in the game. It's all very well now that everyone has huge stockpiles, but even goons are going to need oxygen isotopes eventually when the stockpiles start running low At best you are cutting your own throats. The entire economy is based on mining as the input. PVP is on the other side of the economy - the sink. You really can't have one without the other and expect some sort of balance, which is what an economy is.
Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2011-10-04 19:13:01 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hint 2: it doesn't involve mining.

This ISK I use to fit alpha ships to blow up more miners. Which no RR and "fast lockers" and "neut ships" has yet to find a way to block.

Soldier on, good sir

o7


And who collects the minerals to make those ships and the fuel to run the towers of the stations where they are made? Miners. This is the old blah blah I'm a piwate I am so much better than you argument. You play your way, I play mine. While you might like doing 15 minutes spurts of adrenaline, I like being able to do other stuff between cycles. But just the fact that the goons are able to squeeze the price of isotopes so easily underlines just how badly you need miners in the game. It's all very well now that everyone has huge stockpiles, but even goons are going to need oxygen isotopes eventually when the stockpiles start running low At best you are cutting your own throats. The entire economy is based on mining as the input. PVP is on the other side of the economy - the sink. You really can't have one without the other and expect some sort of balance, which is what an economy is.


with 9 accounts guarding your 6 miners at a cost of ~3.6 bil/month what are the combat ships sitting in the belt even doing?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#92 - 2011-10-04 19:13:03 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:


What I see here, is 9 accounts being used to support 6 actual miners.

Good ISK per hour in that setup, then? Roll


About as profitable as all the goons wandering around looking for lone targets to pick off?
Verlai
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2011-10-04 19:14:32 UTC
Reign it in boys, we've got level four missions to run.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2011-10-04 19:15:08 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:


What I see here, is 9 accounts being used to support 6 actual miners.

Good ISK per hour in that setup, then? Roll


About as profitable as all the goons wandering around looking for lone targets to pick off?


c that's extremely profitable

why did you suddenly stop crowing about your intelligence coup it's the most successful thing you've done so far

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
TheBig Bukowsky
High Safety
#95 - 2011-10-04 19:17:06 UTC
How many goons are here fighting against a single miner for their internet spaceship valuable reputation?

breaking news guys, Ptraci already won.

Weaselior wrote:

i'm the goon cfo i came up with the interdiction idea

Can I hug you?
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#96 - 2011-10-04 19:17:07 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hint 2: it doesn't involve mining.

This ISK I use to fit alpha ships to blow up more miners. Which no RR and "fast lockers" and "neut ships" has yet to find a way to block.

Soldier on, good sir

o7


And who collects the minerals to make those ships and the fuel to run the towers of the stations where they are made? Miners. This is the old blah blah I'm a piwate I am so much better than you argument. You play your way, I play mine. While you might like doing 15 minutes spurts of adrenaline, I like being able to do other stuff between cycles. But just the fact that the goons are able to squeeze the price of isotopes so easily underlines just how badly you need miners in the game. It's all very well now that everyone has huge stockpiles, but even goons are going to need oxygen isotopes eventually when the stockpiles start running low At best you are cutting your own throats. The entire economy is based on mining as the input. PVP is on the other side of the economy - the sink. You really can't have one without the other and expect some sort of balance, which is what an economy is.


Actually, bots in the drone regions and random mining bots pretty much support the entire mineral economy; lets not pretend any differently. Sad but true.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#97 - 2011-10-04 19:18:07 UTC
TheBig Bukowsky wrote:
How many goons are here fighting against a single miner for their internet spaceship valuable reputation?

breaking news guys, Ptraci already won.

Weaselior wrote:

i'm the goon cfo i came up with the interdiction idea

Can I hug you?



I think this whole thread is pretty hilarious, much like my space reputation.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2011-10-04 19:18:35 UTC
TheBig Bukowsky wrote:
How many goons are here fighting against a single miner for their internet spaceship valuable reputation?

breaking news guys, Ptraci already won.

Weaselior wrote:

i'm the goon cfo i came up with the interdiction idea

Can I hug you?


do I need to repeat that claiming you ~puppetmasta~ed goons into posting is the last refuge of the criminally bad poster

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#99 - 2011-10-04 19:19:10 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
The entire economy is based on mining as the input


Someone needs to go read a QEN.

Hint: you're laughably wrong.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#100 - 2011-10-04 19:20:11 UTC
Quote:
When you factor in actual loss (insurance FTW) no, not really at all.

Your post is ********.

You know the following things:

a) Some people want to kill your ship
b) There is always a way they can achieve this

Your only logical next step is to stop mining. Everything else is stupid.


You use logic like Courtney Love uses makeup.

For example leaving out the part that the ganking cannot be sustained, and regardless of the insurance payouts, the amount of opportunity cost being wasted is astronomical. Or the fact that it benefits others greatly.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it