Missions & Complexes

I use a tengu for my lvl 4's and since now have only ever used t1 missiles. I found some old faction missiles in jita that I was never going to use for pvp so I decided to use them up in missions and I was amazed at how much more they did.

So here is my question, for how much more they can do then just t1, when it comes to isk per hour ratio, do you have a better chance at making more or loosing more isk by using faction missiles compared to t1.

I like how much more dmg I do, but i dont want to loose more isk if it isnt worth it. Im looking for max isk really.

Are you using T2 launchers? If so, Fury wins hands down. If not, CN missiles are the only way to compete with T2 damage output. Whether that's cost effective to you is a pretty situational question that is closely related to how you run missions (blitz versus kill), whether you loot/salvage, and how you value your ISK.

Try the same mission twice with your current skills. Run it once with T2 missiles and once with faction missiles. Then report back the mission completion times and see if you still say it wins hands down.

I'm just going to cede this one. I (still) prefer a NH and spend (much) more time in one -- and I forget just how skewed that ends up making assertions like this what with having a drone bay and a bonus for swatting frigs.

yep I used faction and t2 missiles. let's me shoehorn in a extra mission or two which is a net gain

Answer = T2 launchers + T1 ordnance, a combo that sesnibly utilizes the launcher specialization skill bonus.

All the expensive combos of Faction/Pirate/T2 ordnance and mods will definitely allow killing faster, but the increased costs do not scale up. Faster killing does not always mean faster mission completion. Any time-sinks or distractions will eat away your time savings making the investment and extra costs pointless :: time between gates, changing agents if needed, time to salvage, phone, doorbell, cat issues, wife/mom issues, etc. If you intend to poop-sock in a distraction-free environment while your mom supplies HotPockets and SunnyD, then yeah, you can use Faction/Pirate/T2 combos to complete more missions over time with the drawback of increased cost of operations.

Sometimes you need to ignore cost of operations out of necessity. Incursions are that way, and PvP somewhat. For these you'll be spending a lot of ISK to max out alpha + delivery of overall DPS + costs of repairs after overheating your racks. A lot of players spend a lot of ISK anyway just to pimp-out their rides. That does not mean it's a cost effective strategy.

If cost containment and profits are your goal, stick with T2 launchers+specialization skill+T1 ordnance.

Seconding this. There seems to be a huge, persistent misunderstanding about faction launchers acting just like faction turrets. They don't. Launcher spec skills increase RoF, but never to the level of faction launchers. Faction launchers also have a marginally higher capacity. Using equivalent ammunition, faction launchers will always outdamage T2 launchers (unless you buy the wrong faction launchers; we're talking CN here). T2 launchers only pull ahead using Fury missiles, and you have to calculate for yourself whether the increased damage is worth it for the ****** damage application.

I use standard scourges on everything for HS missioning except the BS's, which I use T2. Use the same principle in WH PvE, anoms, mag's etc except then use faction for things smaller than BS's as the rewards of completing sites faster are better and the rats are tougher.
If you use rigs and implants it may be better to use T2 for cruiser, just make sure your explosion radius is close to or smaller than the target, use this as a guide.

Nothing beats t2 launchers and t2 missiles, if you are flying a tengu with t1 launchers then you are doing something very wrong.

Actually, in this case, T2 meta5 is far cheaper than meta4, much less faction meta7.