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Stogo Cavin-Guang
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-28 14:06:04 UTC
New toon, somewhat old player. I played for about 18months a few years ago. I stopped playing for RL reasons and wanted to come back. But it looks as so much has changed so I decided to start new. Before I flew pretty much everything, mainly concentrating on Caldari and Amarr. Dabbled quite a bit in mining and salvaging also. To get myself started I'm just going to go for straight missioning for the first few months while training all my skills up.

My question is, I want to either go back to Amarr or start with Gallenete since I've never flown their ships. I know back in the day Amarr were good but only for Amarr space. And while I love their ships, I don't really want to spend alot of training time on them if I'm going to be stuck in one part of space. How are Gallente compared to Amarr for missioning? I do plan on PvP'ing but I'm not about fotm ships. I just choose what i like and become good at it. Are Gallente a little more versatile than Amarr as far as Missioning is concerned? If so, I figure I'll go with them.

Anyways, good to be back in Eve.
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-05-28 14:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Gallente Hybrid Ships have a slightly more versatile damage profile I.E.

Guristas
Angel Cartel
Sepentis
Mercs and most other tiny groups that fly Min / Cal
Not to bad a Rouge Drone Profile

Though tracking is worse then Scorch Pulse Lasers but in the same amount of time you can take up T2 Sentry Drones and get a Dominix. The Dominix is still pretty much Gals best T1 ship if you go T2 Sentries. Great Range and all Damage Type Coverage. Blows preyy much all Amarr T1 out of the water by being good across the board.

Amarr

Blood Raiders
Sansha
Rouge Drones

Even in there own space you get a good number of Angel / Guristas / Merc stuff as well.

Honestly I would say go Galente. They have a small gang T1 PvP mix that isn't bad..

Incursus
Vexor
Thorax
Brutix
D / T Rep Myrmidon
Talos (Expensive Nano Cane now)
Dominix
Megathron
Hyperion

The lineup has improved a lot, not so much for fleet stuff but it has improved with Crucible. Their T2 Frigates are not bad either.

Amarr has a terrible T1 Sub Scorch L Laser Turret Lineup. The new Punisher is good and the Arbitrator is as always. Maller and Prophecy are still bait. Harbinger is solid but mediocre. There bread and butter is the Oracle, Armageddon and Abbadon for fleet PvP. All 3 use Scorch primarily and some groups use a Tach Oracle to success. They have large gang Armor all but sown up. The T2 Lineup is pretty solid as well.

If you want to start with PvE I say take Gallente up first get your core Armor / Gun skills and T2 Heavy Drones then pop up Amarr Ships to 4 up to Battleship and fast track Scorch so you can use them but that is just me.

Personally I went Min / Cal / Amarr and am just now taking up T2 L Hybrids (Couple of Days) and T2 Sentry / Heavy Drones. I woulda taking Gal up first if I didnt have Cal / Min in my pocket PvE speaking.
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#3 - 2012-05-28 14:46:01 UTC
If you had 18 months of training on your old account, why are you starting a new account rather than reactivating the old one? Even if you decide you want to fly a different race’s ships, most of those tanking, navigation and weapon skills are transferable.

And everyone was granted a free resculpt, so you don’t even have to look like you did before.

Only valid reason I can think of is if you had a really stupid name on your old character. If you did not hate your old name, reactivate your old account before you get too invested in this new one. What I did after being away for 4 years, was email CCP and ask them to send me a list of accounts registered to my Email address. Once I knew the account name I was able to reactivate them easy.

For PVE the Caldari is king in the Drake and the Tengu. All races have viable mission boats though, if you want to do your own thing.

For PVP:

Caldari: The Drake is very popular, but once you get up to Battleships the Rokh has some issues (which I am hoping the new Ancillary Shield Bust module will help with). For sniping the Naga (BC with BS guns) has eclipsed the Rokh, so you only see Blaster Rokhs now.

Minmatar: The Hurricane is even more popular than the Drake for PVP, and all 3 Minmatar Battleships are used in PVP regularly.

Gallente: I don’t fly these, but they have viable PVP ships in both BC and BS sizes.

Amarr: I don’t fly these, I have seen plenty of Amarr Battleships in PVP combat. Not sure about their Battlecrusers. I have seen a few Orables around.

I would suggest that you reactivate your old toon, and start doing missions in a Drake, while training to fly whatever it is you want to fly now. (Or quickly train up for the Tengu to do Level 4 missions easily, and then train whatever else you wanted to fly.)
Stogo Cavin-Guang
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-28 15:02:33 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:
If you had 18 months of training on your old account, why are you starting a new account rather than reactivating the old one? Even if you decide you want to fly a different race’s ships, most of those tanking, navigation and weapon skills are transferable.

And everyone was granted a free resculpt, so you don’t even have to look like you did before.

Only valid reason I can think of is if you had a really stupid name on your old character. If you did not hate your old name, reactivate your old account before you get too invested in this new one. What I did after being away for 4 years, was email CCP and ask them to send me a list of accounts registered to my Email address. Once I knew the account name I was able to reactivate them easy.

For PVE the Caldari is king in the Drake and the Tengu. All races have viable mission boats though, if you want to do your own thing.

For PVP:

Caldari: The Drake is very popular, but once you get up to Battleships the Rokh has some issues (which I am hoping the new Ancillary Shield Bust module will help with). For sniping the Naga (BC with BS guns) has eclipsed the Rokh, so you only see Blaster Rokhs now.

Minmatar: The Hurricane is even more popular than the Drake for PVP, and all 3 Minmatar Battleships are used in PVP regularly.

Gallente: I don’t fly these, but they have viable PVP ships in both BC and BS sizes.

Amarr: I don’t fly these, I have seen plenty of Amarr Battleships in PVP combat. Not sure about their Battlecrusers. I have seen a few Orables around.

I would suggest that you reactivate your old toon, and start doing missions in a Drake, while training to fly whatever it is you want to fly now. (Or quickly train up for the Tengu to do Level 4 missions easily, and then train whatever else you wanted to fly.)



Thanks for the replies. I'm starting a new account because i want to start fresh. If I get bored, I'll just reactivate the old account. I know I'm weird.
Lili Lu
#5 - 2012-05-28 15:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Renier Gaden wrote:
If you had 18 months of training on your old account, why are you starting a new account rather than reactivating the old one? Even if you decide you want to fly a different race’s ships, most of those tanking, navigation and weapon skills are transferable.

And everyone was granted a free resculpt, so you don’t even have to look like you did before.

Only valid reason I can think of is if you had a really stupid name on your old character. If you did not hate your old name, reactivate your old account before you get too invested in this new one. What I did after being away for 4 years, was email CCP and ask them to send me a list of accounts registered to my Email address. Once I knew the account name I was able to reactivate them easy.

Maybe he sold the old character? I don't know, yeah I would keep the old character and just train new skills if I wanted to change direction. But apparently he wants to start fresh for whatever reason.

Renier Gaden wrote:
For PVE the Caldari is king in the Drake and the Tengu. All races have viable mission boats though, if you want to do your own thing.
Been this way since forever, or at least since I've been in the game since 2006. However, the Drake is slated for alteration in 2023 so might not be a wise choice atm.P

Renier Gaden wrote:
For PVP:

Caldari: The Drake is very popular, but once you get up to Battleships the Rokh has some issues (which I am hoping the new Ancillary Shield Bust module will help with). For sniping the Naga (BC with BS guns) has eclipsed the Rokh, so you only see Blaster Rokhs now.

Minmatar: The Hurricane is even more popular than the Drake for PVP, and all 3 Minmatar Battleships are used in PVP regularly.

Gallente: I don’t fly these, but they have viable PVP ships in both BC and BS sizes.

Amarr: I don’t fly these, I have seen plenty of Amarr Battleships in PVP combat. Not sure about their Battlecrusers. I have seen a few Orables around.

What?

Caldari- PL uses rail Rokhs. For small or solo BS pvp if you can find it sure the new ridiculous shield boosters but for fleet pvp no.

Minmatar- No the cane is not more popular than the drake for pvp. http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Once again, and been this way for many many months now drakes vastly outnumber all other ships on kills. This snapshot shows drakes with 157k kills and second place canes with 70k kills. As for Maels yes they get heavy use, but Tempests not so much and Phoons are small or solo dps machines. Meither of which are appearing in the top 20. You do see Lokis, Huginns, and Tornados and others in the top 20.

Gallente- There are no Gallente ships in the top 20. Gallente is in a rather sorry state for pvp. One exception in fleet pvp would be Lachesis for tackle in shield fleets and Proteus for tackle in armor fleets. For small gang sure use a brutix or thorax etc for dps but they will die quite often.

Amarr- In much better health for pvp than the Gallente, but still behind the Minmatar and arguably the Caldari even.

Renier Gaden wrote:
I would suggest that you reactivate your old toon, and start doing missions in a Drake, while training to fly whatever it is you want to fly now. (Or quickly train up for the Tengu to do Level 4 missions easily, and then train whatever else you wanted to fly.)

If he is able yes it would make more sense to activate his old character. Some of the skills trained will help with any new direction. But that is exactly it. He says he wants a new direction, and doesn't want to follow fotm.

OP, welcome back. If you want to mainly pve in missions then yes Gallente is actually more viable than it used to be. Hybrids got a mild buff, so even rails don't suck as much as they used to. But, more importantly drones got a recent buff with the introduction of low slot drone damage augmentors. So the Domi is once again a rather good level 4 boat. If you go Gallente and like sentry drones you will not be lagging terribly behind.

Keep the old character if possible, keep the amarr ship skills and add gallente and drone skills to it. You will have options that way. You can use the amarr ships against sansha, blood raiders and rogue drones, and use a gallente ship against the others.
Have fun. And don't worry about pvp. Gallente will provide some niche roles even if you can't be sitting in a backbone fleet ship with it. Long pointing ships, or oneiros are fleet capable. For smaller stuff the assault frigs or taranis still decent. Things hopefully will change for the better in the game.

Stay strong and don't give in to fotm and go as was suggested, drake -> tengu Straight

edit- lol, typing for so long, anyway ok, stay wierd and proud P
Stogo Cavin-Guang
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-28 15:33:53 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Renier Gaden wrote:
If you had 18 months of training on your old account, why are you starting a new account rather than reactivating the old one? Even if you decide you want to fly a different race’s ships, most of those tanking, navigation and weapon skills are transferable.

And everyone was granted a free resculpt, so you don’t even have to look like you did before.

Only valid reason I can think of is if you had a really stupid name on your old character. If you did not hate your old name, reactivate your old account before you get too invested in this new one. What I did after being away for 4 years, was email CCP and ask them to send me a list of accounts registered to my Email address. Once I knew the account name I was able to reactivate them easy.

Maybe he sold the old character? I don't know, yeah I would keep the old character and just train new skills if I wanted to change direction. But apparently he wants to start fresh for whatever reason.

Renier Gaden wrote:
For PVE the Caldari is king in the Drake and the Tengu. All races have viable mission boats though, if you want to do your own thing.
Been this way since forever, or at least since I've been in the game since 2006. However, the Drake is slated for alteration in 2023 so might not be a wise choice atm.P

Renier Gaden wrote:
For PVP:

Caldari: The Drake is very popular, but once you get up to Battleships the Rokh has some issues (which I am hoping the new Ancillary Shield Bust module will help with). For sniping the Naga (BC with BS guns) has eclipsed the Rokh, so you only see Blaster Rokhs now.

Minmatar: The Hurricane is even more popular than the Drake for PVP, and all 3 Minmatar Battleships are used in PVP regularly.

Gallente: I don’t fly these, but they have viable PVP ships in both BC and BS sizes.

Amarr: I don’t fly these, I have seen plenty of Amarr Battleships in PVP combat. Not sure about their Battlecrusers. I have seen a few Orables around.

What?

Caldari- PL uses rail Rokhs. For small or solo BS pvp if you can find it sure the new ridiculous shield boosters but for fleet pvp no.

Minmatar- No the cane is not more popular than the drake for pvp. http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Once again, and been this way for many many months now drakes vastly outnumber all other ships on kills. This snapshot shows drakes with 157k kills and second place canes with 70k kills. As for Maels yes they get heavy use, but Tempests not so much and Phoons are small or solo dps machines. Meither of which are appearing in the top 20. You do see Lokis, Huginns, and Tornados and others in the top 20.

Gallente- There are no Gallente ships in the top 20. Gallente is in a rather sorry state for pvp. One exception in fleet pvp would be Lachesis for tackle in shield fleets and Proteus for tackle in armor fleets. For small gang sure use a brutix or thorax etc for dps but they will die quite often.

Amarr- In much better health for pvp than the Gallente, but still behind the Minmatar and arguably the Caldari even.

Renier Gaden wrote:
I would suggest that you reactivate your old toon, and start doing missions in a Drake, while training to fly whatever it is you want to fly now. (Or quickly train up for the Tengu to do Level 4 missions easily, and then train whatever else you wanted to fly.)

If he is able yes it would make more sense to activate his old character. Some of the skills trained will help with any new direction. But that is exactly it. He says he wants a new direction, and doesn't want to follow fotm.

OP, welcome back. If you want to mainly pve in missions then yes Gallente is actually more viable than it used to be. Hybrids got a mild buff, so even rails don't suck as much as they used to. But, more importantly drones got a recent buff with the introduction of low slot drone damage augmentors. So the Domi is once again a rather good level 4 boat. If you go Gallente and like sentry drones you will not be lagging terribly behind.

Keep the old character if possible, keep the amarr ship skills and add gallente and drone skills to it. You will have options that way. You can use the amarr ships against sansha, blood raiders and rogue drones, and use a gallente ship against the others.
Have fun. And don't worry about pvp. Gallente will provide some niche roles even if you can't be sitting in a backbone fleet ship with it. Long pointing ships, or oneiros are fleet capable. For smaller stuff the assault frigs or taranis still decent. Things hopefully will change for the better in the game.

Stay strong and don't give in to fotm and go as was suggested, drake -> tengu Straight

edit- lol, typing for so long, anyway ok, stay wierd and proud P


Yeah, screw fotm unless it just happens to be a ship I like. Thanks again for the advice folks. Time to get started.