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EVE On Asus G71G-Q1 with either Dual Win7/Ubuntu 12.04 or just Ubuntu - help appreciated

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#1 - 2012-05-28 06:37:03 UTC
Greetings

My Window Vista 32-bit Asus G2S has been declared defective and dead and is being replaced with this system (free of charge by Asus - below) as a replacement.

I am planning to dual boot it or to use it with Ubuntu only depending on the way it will work with Ubuntu.

Asus G71G-Q1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdqcjP0PZ4U

The benchmarks look decent for EVE, but I am not a "Gamer" and so much of this is Greek to me... I have three questions here for the linux group here.

1. How does this look for gaming benchmarks and such for the current iteration of EVE?
2. How do I install PYTA in Ubuntu? - I see a Windows, Mac and other (Ubuntu noob here, but learning)
3. How do I optimize this system for EVE and EVE tools? - I am planning nothing on this system but the OS and EVE and tools and a few apps - but it's going to be my EVE-RIG, not even other games, 100% EVE box.

thanks and any other suggestions or ideas or tools would be appreciated... my ideal situation would be Ubuntu 12.04 - 64bit, Wine, EVE, and host of used EVE tools, EVE bookmarks and then play my wea
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#2 - 2012-05-28 12:25:08 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
1. How does this look for gaming benchmarks and such for the current iteration of EVE?

That benchmark doesn't give much information, it will only tell you if you can run the game in windows of not. If it can run in windows, it has the potential to run in Linux, provided that the drivers for your gfx card support whatever is needed.

Aurelius Valentius wrote:
2. How do I install PYTA in Ubuntu? - I see a Windows, Mac and other (Ubuntu noob here, but learning)

I'm not sure if you mean PYFA or not, because I never heard of PYTA. As far as I can tell you can just download that all link on the pyfa website and run the pyfa.py file and it should work like that if your installed version of python is >2.6 but lower than 3.0.

Aurelius Valentius wrote:
3. How do I optimize this system for EVE and EVE tools? - I am planning nothing on this system but the OS and EVE and tools and a few apps - but it's going to be my EVE-RIG, not even other games, 100% EVE box.

I'd say you better look around the various threads to find some specific optimisations. I know there is a thread by Whitehound discussing some optimisations, but I can't be bothered to look it up.

Aurelius Valentius wrote:
thanks and any other suggestions or ideas or tools would be appreciated... my ideal situation would be Ubuntu 12.04 - 64bit, Wine, EVE, and host of used EVE tools, EVE bookmarks and then play my wea

Based on your limited knowledge of linux, I suggest you stick to 32 bit because it's easier to get things working. Also 64 bit doesn't bring most people much of a benefit anyway. On top of that Eve is 32-bit anyway making it unable to use the advantages that 64-bit would bring.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#3 - 2012-05-28 21:33:18 UTC
Thanks for the reply.

Not to worried about the learning curb, shouldn't be a big deal - have 15 years in IT, and just never played with Linux much beyond SuSE 9.0 and then a trifle with 11.10 OO when that was released, decided to throw 12.04 on the back-top cold turkey and just learn as I go, so far, doing pretty good.

I am a bit mystified by the folder system but starting to find things, only the WINE directories seem to be missing or hidden... but I managed to figure out how to install and uninstall programs so HD space isn't being wasted.

Sorry meant PYFA, I was typing from memory, tried EFT but it didn't want to update the char info for me... I know that PYFA works in Linux so I thought I would try that, but not sure if I should install it under WINE or use the "other" but I did get things working with the .py extention.

THIS IS SO MUCH FUN!... so I am really turned on by putting 64-bit on the laptop when it comes this week... and also due to it having 6GB of RAM and all that needs 64 bit or I am not going to have it even working at capacity from what I understand... or does Linux 32 bit recognize more than the 3 GB that windows will not... I was pretty sure that no 32 bit system could recognize anything more than 3 GB.

Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2012-05-29 10:53:33 UTC
PYFA is python, so you don't need to install it under WINE.

Just run it from the command line as suggested. If it doesn't have all the required libs it will complain, and you can install them with the distribution package manager (I guess it's still Muon on 12.04).

About going 64bit: remember that WINE is 32bit only - so far - so you need a lot of support libs in 32bit format for it to work. Not a big deal, actually, because Ubuntu makes having mixed 32/64bit environments very easy. Just a warning.

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Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#5 - 2012-05-29 16:23:56 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
... that needs 64 bit or I am not going to have it even working at capacity from what I understand... or does Linux 32 bit recognize more than the 3 GB that windows will not... I was pretty sure that no 32 bit system could recognize anything more than 3 GB.

Linux 32bit supports up to 64GB of memory -> Physical Address Extension

Katrina Bekers wrote:
About going 64bit: remember that WINE is 32bit only - so far

Not completely true, wine exists in 64bit (I have it on both my desktop and laptop and runs just fine), but it could be that some distributions do not provide it, i.e. Ubuntu might not have it in the repositories.

Katrina Bekers wrote:
you need a lot of support libs in 32bit format for it to work

This is indeed true, so best to look up how to install those 32bit libraries in Ubuntu. Here is already some place to start from.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#6 - 2012-05-29 19:38:25 UTC
Thanks for the tips, I see I have my homework cut out for me.

Here is what I think I am going to do, I just got the word on the tracking number for the replacement, once it comes (with vista-64...ugh)... I want to do the following:

update it to win7-64, have that here waiting and all set.

Then, dual boot it to Ubuntu, and install EVE on it, given the 32/64 bit options mentioned I may go one way of the other... then WINE/EVE and addin PYFA and whatever else needs adding... should be a good summer project.

I will post more as I need help with it, prob start this whole thing beginning of next week when I get the system in hand.
Feliza
Equinox Labs
#7 - 2012-05-30 14:54:21 UTC
You know, this may be way out in left field for your thought process, but according to distrowatch the current reigning champion of linux is Mint. Its an Ubuntu derivative. The reason I mention it, is not only does Mint 13 provide everything that Ubuntu provides (it uses a lot of their repos, I even installed Wine 1.5.5 from the Wine-Dev Ubtuntu PPA) but the newest iteration of Mint also is a long term support version, meaning Mint 13 (based on Ubuntu 12.04) will get 5 year support. This is a large part of why I recently chose it myself.

Instead of KDE or Unity, Mint comes in two flavors, Cinnamon (which is based around Gnome 3) and MATE. MATE, being a fork of Gnome 2, is quite lightweight compared to the juggernauts.

As per what to do afterwards with it, I've got EVE running beautifully now (sans captain's quarters), with overall fps 50% higher than running in Windows 7 x64. There's slightly more delay in transitioning loaded areas though (like undocking). I'm trying to port EVEMon using Mono into a native solution, down to a single (big, as I need to learn mono to fix) error which I'm still working on. Only thing I had to drop support for was Outlook calendar integration. I think my next project will be getting EFT working.

I was in the Fedora camp for several years, stopped with them due to their lack of support for products past a short life span. I've got a lot of experience at Red Hat via SSH. Since I came to Linux full time on my home desktop a few weeks ago, I tried Red Hat, Fedora, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, KXStudio, openSUSE, Arch, Debian, and Mint. Of the lot, I was most impressed with Mint. I tried Unity, KDE4, Gnome4, Cinnamon, MATE, LXDE, and XFCE, and preferred MATE (was in the Gnome 2 camp until it got broken apart, so I may be biased on that choice). Any of the GUI's can be on most any distro, so do try them all until you really like one.

If you're just getting your feet really wet, I strongly suggest try a few before you ultimately decide.. if you're getting another laptop to work with, sounds like a great place to try giving a few a go since its a fresh playing field.
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#8 - 2012-05-30 15:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nebu Retski
Feliza has some good advices if you want to get your feet wet with Linux. However I would suggest you take an easy distribution for doing a dual boot installation, i.e. Ubuntu or Mint. Then you install a virtual machine, either on windows or on the Linux distribution (or both, however you feel like). Then start to install different distributions in the virtual machine to get an idea what they feel like.

As for distributions to try out, Feliza provided several. My suggestion is you try out Arch linux, not only because I truely love it, but mostly because it teaches you to build from bottom up. You will get some valuable linux skills trying to get your stuff setup plus Arch Linux has a very good wiki that is kept quite up to date to help you out. Once you get the hang of it you can either ditch it for trying out something else or stick with it.

Gentoo and Slackware are 2 distributions I would like to suggest if you really want to get into the thick of things. Those distributions are pretty hardcore, you have a lot of manual configuring to do and compile pretty much everything yourself making sure you set the proper flags or else you can start the compiling again. If you can manage either of those distributions well, then you can definately considers yourself to know the ins and outs of Linux.

Finally don't just limit yourself by looking at linux, you can also try out something like FreeBSD or OpenBSD or OpenSolaris.