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So, you're just pulling a figure out your ass, then.

lol you think anything more than 80m/hour is feasible in nullsec

you're just making it clear that you never leave hisec

the hisec thread is that way------------>

Ok so after that I will re-iterate my possition. I still believe what I stated above as good ideas especially the capital city, fort and local removal.

But apparently the risk vs reward does now stink alot and need to be rebalanced. Has it been nerfed this year?

Ok I know I'm anti goonswarm blah blah blah but that really stinks. Null is supposed to be more exiting and dangerous but you are at least supposed to get paid for it. As I said I got 56 mill in lo-sec in 40 minutes last night.

Edit: So my new position after this new information has been brought to my attention is that yes Nulls local must die, Jump drives still need a nerf and the sov system should be changed to include capitals systems fort systems and the like.

Null doesn't need the crutches it should be an outer province, having said that like a province it needs booty. Roman soldiers didn't go to the provinces for nothing and neither should null sec residences. There needs to be a change made to the ability to make money directly related to the security level not just rats and minerals but to incrusions and plexes.
the easiest way to score this would be with null sec as a base low sec should be twice as dangerous which it is currently is and earn twice the amount, NPC null should be even more dangerous with amounts of around 3 times the pay outs, sov null 4 times more and WH 5+ depending on the level of shear insanity required.

As to the tech moons as I have said before any change will just create a new bottle neck some where else and we will be in the same position again.

I am aware that most of EvE's residents are in Hi-sec but they will hardly wish to try new thing as in new areas if they are better payed where they are.

in your opinion.......not everyones! Also throwing arguments arounds like hamfisted idiotic etc yet giving no counter argument yourself.... some people might take that as hamfisted and idiotic.....

Zim and others at least rationalise and argue their own corners with usually well thought out counter arguments.

Just to lighten the mood, This has actually happened to me at least 3 times now....

I completely agree the rewards need buffing, I would actually say the hi-sec rewards need nerfing but as they have now given out such high rewards to hi-sec taking them back would cause too much of a stink.

As to local I feel the opposite to you I feel its more likely to increase solo mining and ratters within the smaller alliances, lets face it you dont have to worry about someone popping their head into the system for 2 seconds and going "Ahh a victim. With an auto d-scan, probes would pop up on it before you tracked the person down if they were watching.

As to PvPers having to search for there victims or actually watch all the gates in a system, I find nothing wrong with that. Local in its current form makes it too easy for one person to shut down a pve system by just popping in. So Pvpers would have to scan down victims. Well that's what the probes are for or you could just do a quick jump from belt to belt then use your probes.

Said it before will say it again Local in Null must die.

The problem is, you don't take your historical references to their conclusion. Romans would march into a lawless provinces, fight, build forts and roads and other infrastructure. When they were done their would be law and law enforcers, and in many ways those provinces would become safer then the streets of Rome.

I can understand making NPC Pirate owned null being completely lawless to the point of having no local.

Telling people who fought to take, and worked and paid to upgrade sov null, that all their work should be for nothing, and should be as violent and unpredictable as enemy territory, is a serious kick in the nuts given the kind of income you can make in null and the difficulty in logistics that already exists.


Also, probes on d-scan are going to have the same effect as people popping up in local. So the same dynamic of non-pvp'ers running at the first sign of a possible hostile will remain. They'll just be safing up as soon as they see probes instead of seeing you in local. And it sure as hell won't increase "solo mining", because you can't really solo mine in nullsec as it is, and it will be next to impossible to get those minerals to market. Unless they use jump drives, but you hate those too.

So soft targets will still bug out at the first sign of trouble, and everything will be more tedious than the existing routine of scouting your own routes and hitting up the intel channels.


Honest question to Frying Doom; Where in nullsec did you find it so safe and lucrative? Maybe its just because goons are so hated, but in Dek I run into hostile solo bombers, roams and camps all the time. A day doesn't go by that we don't get at least have a dozen of these sort of things. And since Dek is a rather narrow and linear region, these guys put a damper on movement with little effort. As it stands _right_now_ It is already plenty "interesting" getting loot to the local market, and a serious effort to get to highsec markets.

Transport ships (well, blockade runners, anyway) already make transporting decent amounts of things easy enough, with or without local. A lack of local would make it harder at worst, and exactly the same at best. That said, not everyone has access to one either, and making a T2 ship a baseline for being able to live is kicking new players square in the balls.

Of course scanners don't hit everyting in one shot, that's why I said they'd be bouncing off of celestials. Or, better yet, just hitting up anoms with the onboard scanner and finding - wait for it - absolutely nobody, since nobody will use anoms without local. All that will be left is mining, and have fun catching anyone doing that since you need scan probes out to even find a grav site.



Right, and how many people will go neither of those routes and just unsub because the game they pay to play, which already teeters on the knife-edge of boredom, has just become a tedium overdose?



Of course it would happen less, because nobody would be living in null without local. Can't shut down what isn't running.



Ohh, I see, you BELIEVE it'll all magically work out, even with null dwellers, both of the PvP and PvE/industry persuasion telling you exactly why it won't work. Good for you, I guess?

And given this, and given that you know how "awesome" the revenues you can get in nullsec, do you think people'll be very happy if CCP drastically ramped up the risk and/or effort needed to do anything in nullsec?