EVE General Discussion

I do not live in my mother's basement.

I am fortunate enough to have full time employment as a fairly successful Solution Architect for a Global consulting firm. I play from a custom built home office and hotels all over the United States. My identity is defined as a father, a husband, and a businessman. Eve has woven itself in as an on-again, off-again diversion where for the last three years I can apply business acumen and some custom tools to build an industrial marketer and manufacturer.

Eve is a fun low pressure environment where I make the conscious choice to forgo combat and low sec rewards to maintain the low stress nature of this pursuit.

Recently, I was killed mining and even podded in high sec. Losses in my ship of 300mil plus, implant losses of something on the order of a billion and change. Why? Because CCP has chosen by its inaction to allow a loose coalition of players to reward collective behavior against the engineered system of penalties and policies that are intended to make high security zones a low risk, low reward environment.

I petition CCP to consider the policy and natural violations that the inaction to date represent, and also suggest a system of natural Consequences which may be of use in curbing such competitions like 'hulkageddon' - or at least limit them to the low- and null-sec systems where they belong.

Recognizing the Violations of CCP Policy

An external competition like hulkageddon depends upon players allying and indeed competing to determine which player is most willing to ignore the disincentives engineered into the game which protect players who participate in high security systems. Indeed the competition organizers have created systematic logs denoting and ridiculing the expressions of distress or outrage by affected players:


- http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/?p=96

Yet CCP has denoted conduct such as this which determines to interfere with the operation of the system and the enjoyment of other players as verboten through at least two provisions.


-http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

The terms of service at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp specifically forbids role playing that interferes with others enjoyment of the game as well as forbidding conduct which disallows others to enjoy the game.

By organizing large scale operations to eliminate players engaging in high sec mining operations, and entire sector of game play is disrupted. By CCP's own statistics, thousands of players have already been affected in this way to date.


-http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

In the Knowledge Base published by CCP, as well, we find a definition of griefing and its specific prohibition of players deriving a significant portion of their time to game tactics that derive their enjoyment through the harassment of other players ourside of genuine pvp conflict such as corporation wars.

Recognizing Inaction as Counter to Real Life Analogs

One of the other clear guides CCP has applied to player conduct is the consideration of the real life treatment of the analog of the player conduct in a real society.

Were a real life band to conspire to affect markets by systematically attacking mining operations, there is ample precedent to recognize that governments and international organizations would act.

The grounds to do so are numerous.

• Systematic attacks on the unarmed
• Collusion to manipulate market dynamics
• Collusion to destroy an entire class of entity

We would see concerted action on multiple fronts from the US, the EU, and the UN. Antitrust hearings. Courts and tribunals. Resolutions and committees.

CCPs response in the role of the international arbitration? Absent.

A Simple Response

I would suggest the response is simple and two pronged.

1. Concord notices the drop in the markets and in order to ensure the supposed stability of the universe, have placed a couple of concord ships resident in high sec asteroid belts only in addition to their current locations.


2. CCP begins warning and taking action against blatant high sec offenders.

Anecdotal evidence has already started to surface of player discontent with allowing these actions to remain unpunished and indeed unrestrained. I question how long CCP will wait to allow bands of players to flagrantly collude to ignore intended game mechanics and deny greater segments of the player base the enjoyment of the chosen virtual profession that keeps the real-life game revenue coming in.

Why don't we take your CYNO blankie and your Local blankie away?

OP fails to relise that this is a PvP game that revolves around people losing their ships regardless of whether they consent or not, then attempts to make real life comparisions.

Welcome to EVE.

Yep and what continues to amaze me are the guys who think this is profitable??????

Heck running high sec plexs is more profitable than this, and I quit going that YEARS ago.

Gank a goon, they may have borrowed an implamt from Mittens!

Spawning CONCORD for personal protection in a belt is an exploit and a bannable offence.

Ganking miners exposes the very broken nature of all PvP in EVE.

A killmail for a T3 cruiser?
A Killmail for a Carrier?
A Killmail for a Command Ship?

No, we brag about Hulk killmails. That's our e-peen.

Broke? Just a bit.

I didn't fight a mighty dragon but I killed a baby cow when it wasn't looking.

I agree with Oddball. All you vets who think EVE is growing maybe need to look at who the new players are. The only thing growing are your alts. Keep up your good work CCP.

Greetings capsuleer,

You are very eloquent and make a strong case for your point. Unfortunately, as data released by CCP has shown your allegations has no basis in fact.

The population in New Eden has been rising year after year after year. This is a fact as released by CCP, with the latest update coming with the recent meeting in Reijkavik.

Because players online at any one time is the same as active subs.

The ganker loses their ship
They get a sec status hit and will be attacked by the empire navies when it gets low enough
They turn flashy red in local and on the overveiw
Anyone can attack a -10 pirates ship
Concord will destroy any ship the pirate gets into within 15 minutes of aggression
The "victim" can kill the pirate

Seems we already have penalties in place.