EVE General Discussion

risk adverse??

Fecking hell folks. It wasn't that long ago we had to spend a good 2 weeks to a month doing the learning skills and everyone bitched about that (though entirely legitimately bitching)

Implants do not need changing, just because you are too scared to use them in PvP

First up the difference between 3 and 5's is not huge in terms of training time, difference is 3's are cheap. Or if your really poor 2's.

Secondly, when in your pvp clone be smart, Pick two attributes and train skills which only need those two, a good choice generally being Perc/Will allowing you to work on your Gunnery/Ship/Missile skillls. Then use plug those two implants in the pvp clone. Personally I run with 2x +4's on those attributes in the pvp clone for lowsec and 2x +3's if its in nullsec.

If you want to train at the max and not enjoy the game because your too scared to undock in your +5's thats your choice and your fault. Everyone has access to jump clones. Even newbies if they use a JC service corp and set up a clone thats a good balance of cost and SP per hour.

Finally. Think about those poor sods with LG slaves and crystals. They only get +2 for a **** ton of isk!

You say difference between 3's and 5's it's not huge witch is a wrong statement.

Difference is significant enough for someone to use higher training implants for 12d and + skills, witch usually means you don't log or just do the minimum. Of course when you already have all you wanted as skills you can always post to someone learning implants are useless.

Now, if you can already fly all T2 frigates in all races, all T2 and T3 cruisers in all races, all T2 battlecruisers, all T2 and pirate battleships and at least one carrier, sure, it's not that important.

However, for new players and at least for 2/3 years those have significant impact.

OP, that was a cool story, bro.

CCP need to either let people unplug their implants, or jumpclones need to have less of a cooldown and less of a standings requirement for NPC stations. That or I'd be fine with learning implants being removed altogether.

Who actually uses a jumpclone to move around the universe? JCs are only really used for implant storage in my experience, yet they still have the same pre-nerfed 24h cooldown and ridiculous NPC standings requirements that they did when they were introduced in Red Moon Rising, because CCP didn't want people having too much force projection by being able to JC all over the universe. Well If we get a new recruit in highsec who has implants, we tell them to JC to a fresh clone, set their medical clone to 6VDT, and then kill themselves. If we need to deploy anywhere in a hurry then again we'll use medical medical clones. I don't personally see the JC cooldown or standings accomplishing anything particularly useful.

The people who say you don't need to fly around with implants, or only need a few +2/3 implants are the same guys who said you didn't need to train learning skills.

Learning implants add nothing to the game, they don't let newbies catch up in SP to vets, because vets use the implants just as much as the newbies do, if anything, the bittervet who just sits in station with +5s all day gains SP faster than the newbie with +2/3s who runs around pvping.

Pirate/faction/hardwiring implants are a completely different story, because they actually affect pvp itself, so removing them from the game would remove an aspect of pvp, like removing rigs or modules.

This is truth.

Greetings

Great story and some good information for noobs on how to have fun in EVE. I agree that implants are a hindrance if you are afraid to lose them. However, I do not think anything needs to be done with them as far as removal. There are some great "best practices" ideas here in the responses. Heck, a single forsaken hub will net you a new set of +3's for primary and secondary attributes and that's if you die. Your adventures should be an every day event for players not the exception. If there were a reason for diminishing small gang and solo PVP (which I disagree with) its because to many fear lose of anything.

Just my humble opinion.

Tif

How about an insurance for implants?
It should cover the losses almost completely.

...it's a helpless feeling, watching your ibis spin aimlessly because you have no SP in ships or modules so you can't do anything... But I held it together, I logged off and played something else. My boredom was overwhelming, I didn't think I was going to make it. But there I was, with 1.5m SP in skills whose only function is to make you learn other skills... I got my attributes, and then I undocked.

It was so real, I was there.

I'm telling you!

I was there.

I don't see the huge issue...

I currently pay 18m just for the clone when I get podded.

two +3 implants and one +3% agility implant don't add that much, maybe another 35-40m.

even in 0.0 I don't lose pods all that often (my current clone has lasted me 3 weeks so far and I mostly log in to pvp these days)

does it really matter whether you can use some ship/module a few days earlier or later?
just imagine how horrible your situation would be if you had signed up for EVE two weeks later than you did!

it's a trade-off between "fun now" and "capability later" - such trade-offs always hurt a little inside but they are part of what sets EVE apart from other games (where you can have everything at once).