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Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-05-28 02:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaserin Smarte
baltec1 wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


How do you fit a tank to a covetor or a retty?
And how do I tank 5 catalysts?

That onlyw works for hulks and we all know hulks are not the only target.
Also am I suppose to only fly a hulk tanked or fly a covetor that is a less likely a target which really sint.
And if i am not suppose to fly those ships why are they in the game?

This is not a viable tactic because the gankers have many solutions to it.


[Covetor, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Use a +2 implant and that will out tank any destroyer. 90% of ganks on miners are by a single destroyer because thats how they make a profit.

[Retriever, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Small Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5
+1 implant, should see off most destroyers.


Thank you Smile
+ 2 implant to what shield capacity?
Also do you have a mackinaw fit? I asked on chat channels and no one answered or I didnt see.
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-05-28 02:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaserin Smarte
Shian Yang wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
I too would like a dev response Roll

on

when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit.


I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand.


Greetings capsuleer,

Disagreement is a fundamental tenent of New Eden. You cannot expect to speak your mind and be treated as reasonable when you are unwilling to extend another the same courtesy.

Capsuleer Burek disagrees with your premise. He believes you fail to understand the core principles of New Eden - that being there is conflict, a war for scarce resources and that you and only you are responsible for your own safety.

Do not diminish his view unless you want yours discarded as well.

Regards,

Shian Yang



That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited or scarce number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day...
Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.

Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others as well. I did not diminish his view I was saying its a straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-05-28 03:00:56 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day...
Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.

Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others aswell.I did not diminish his view I was saying its straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.



Just because some resources are reset every 24 hours does not mean there is an infinite supply of them. There is a specific number of r64 moons a specific number of r32 moons, there is also a limited number of belts that a miner can use.
Kaserin Smarte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-05-28 03:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaserin Smarte
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day...
Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.

Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others aswell.I did not diminish his view I was saying its straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.



Just because some resources are reset every 24 hours does not mean there is an infinite supply of them. There is a specific number of r64 moons a specific number of r32 moons, there is also a limited number of belts that a miner can use.


I have yet to run into a problem mining and finding belts. There are hundreds of systems with plenty of belts. I am sure there are more belts than players. Also im not talking about moons mining or whatever.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-05-28 03:09:24 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day...
Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.

Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others aswell.I did not diminish his view I was saying its straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.



Just because some resources are reset every 24 hours does not mean there is an infinite supply of them. There is a specific number of r64 moons a specific number of r32 moons, there is also a limited number of belts that a miner can use.


I have yet to run into a problem mining and finding belts. There are hundreds of systems with plenty of belts. I am sure there are more belts than players. Also im not talking about moons mining or whatever.


That does not change the fundamental premise. Resources in Eve are limited. Just because most of the low end resources are not completely tapped out every day does not mean there is no limit. It just means in some areas the limits are rarely if ever reached.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2012-05-28 03:11:40 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:


Thank you Smile
+ 2 implant to what shield capacity?
Also do you have a mackinaw fit? I asked on chat channels and no one answered or I didnt see.


+2 CPU

[Mackinaw, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

15.6k buffer no implants needed.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#47 - 2012-05-28 03:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Unfortunately, most miners make it too easy by either being afk, or being stationary, both of which = easy kill.

Mine aligned and 90% of gank opportunity is gone. In fact, mining aligned also means you don't need a tank, because full yield is faster to fill your hold meaning you leave the belt faster.

Also, changing belts regularly helps.


Me, I like HS mining. Its semi relaxing.

However, I also love ganking. Though usually I'm on the attempted receiving end.

Edit: OP if you want to know my method of mining aligned, feel free to ask in an EVEmail and I'll send it to you.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-05-28 03:29:25 UTC
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Eve high security space is safer now than it was 5 years ago.


Untrue.


When I started playing this game 4 years ago, Jet Can mining and running Low Security gate camps was considered unsafe. Taking someones loot in High Security was used to initiate non consensual PvP. Suicide Ganking was for the most part unheard of and rarely ever happened.

Within the past couple of years, Suicide Ganking has definitely become grossly prevalent in this game..

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Tyraenin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-05-28 04:11:19 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
I am not trying to say that highsec should be 100%.

Really? Let's read what else you wrote...

Quote:
I just want balance I dont want to ruin your game so why are you trying to ruin my game?

...And the other shoe drops.

Like all highsec miners you do indeed want to "ruin" our game--in fact you want to ban suicide ganking. You want to continually nerf non-consensual PvP in highsec until it is no longer possible for your mining ship to be destroyed. You want to turn EVE into a single-player game with no risk.

In doing so, you would eliminate any reason why someone would want to play EVE, and CCP would go into bankruptcy.

The good news is that if we continue to suicide gank your ships, you will eventually move into a different career in EVE (should you decide to continue playing), and you will cease advocating your destructive anti-PvP policies. By killing your ship and those of others like you, we will save EVE.

Fly safe. Smile

Did you read what I said? I was pretty clear I dont want to ban gankers. I want to balance and curb the trend of everyone and their grandma doing it. Because they can not handle shooting at something that shoots back and can kill em.

No it wont go into bankrupcy cause the real pvpers will go back to playing EVE the way it was played and actaul pvp again other pvpers.

Also I play all the careers in eve I want thats the beauty of EVE. It is not about one career over the other ALL are viable. You are not imparting some sage wisdom you are just griefing. As I said I LOVE to mine, LOVE the hum of the strip miners, and I LOVE helping the market by providing ORE/Minerals. Why take that away from me when I dont want to do the same to you.


ALL are viable and yet you have the audacity to prescribe to the entire community how to play their game. Here's another:

Kaserin Smarte wrote:
We understand that this game is just more than PVP its a SANDBOX game. Meaning there is no wrong way to play.
. Unless it is doing something you don't like, right? Entitled much?
Shian Yang
#50 - 2012-05-28 04:23:44 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
I too would like a dev response Roll

on

when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit.


I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand.


Greetings capsuleer,

Disagreement is a fundamental tenent of New Eden. You cannot expect to speak your mind and be treated as reasonable when you are unwilling to extend another the same courtesy.

Capsuleer Burek disagrees with your premise. He believes you fail to understand the core principles of New Eden - that being there is conflict, a war for scarce resources and that you and only you are responsible for your own safety.

Do not diminish his view unless you want yours discarded as well.

Regards,

Shian Yang



That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited or scarce number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day...
Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.

Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others as well. I did not diminish his view I was saying its a straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.


Greetings capsuleer,

You have just demonstrated capsuleer Burek's point. Congratulations. If you would like me to deconstruct and explain life in New Eden to you, please send me an EVE Mail.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-05-28 04:27:00 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.


you're correct, it's a sandbox and it allows me to kill your hulk

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2012-05-28 04:30:23 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Eve high security space is safer now than it was 5 years ago.


Untrue.


When I started playing this game 4 years ago, Jet Can mining and running Low Security gate camps was considered unsafe. Taking someones loot in High Security was used to initiate non consensual PvP. Suicide Ganking was for the most part unheard of and rarely ever happened.

Within the past couple of years, Suicide Ganking has definitely become grossly prevalent in this game..


Its just as safe now as it was 6 years ago. Safer in fact now that there is no insurance payout for gankers.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2012-05-28 04:32:30 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.

you're correct, it's a sandbox and it allows me to kill your hulk

The sand seems to have some sharp stones in it ...

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-05-28 05:15:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Eve high security space is safer now than it was 5 years ago.


Untrue.


When I started playing this game 4 years ago, Jet Can mining and running Low Security gate camps was considered unsafe. Taking someones loot in High Security was used to initiate non consensual PvP. Suicide Ganking was for the most part unheard of and rarely ever happened.

Within the past couple of years, Suicide Ganking has definitely become grossly prevalent in this game..


Its just as safe now as it was 6 years ago. Safer in fact now that there is no insurance payout for gankers.



Hahaha, no insurance payouts for gankers has made it safer?

Yeah right. That's like saying Jump Gates can be owned by Player Alliances who can charge other players a toll fee for using it.

Completely untrue.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Knus'lar
The Unspoken Ones
Hole Control
#55 - 2012-05-28 05:21:16 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
High sec is for Consenual PVP. Sad


Well. Thats wrong....
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2012-05-28 05:21:49 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:



Hahaha, no insurance payouts for gankers has made it safer?

Yeah right. That's like saying Jump Gates can be owned by Player Alliances who can charge other players a toll fee for using it.

Completely untrue.



It means they need to target ships worth a lot more than before if they want to profit. Why do you think they swapped out to destroyers rather than continueing to use BC?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-05-28 05:31:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:



Hahaha, no insurance payouts for gankers has made it safer?

Yeah right. That's like saying Jump Gates can be owned by Player Alliances who can charge other players a toll fee for using it.

Completely untrue.



It means they need to target ships worth a lot more than before if they want to profit. Why do you think they swapped out to destroyers rather than continueing to use BC?

Because Destroyers were recently buffed. Plus the fact that Destroyers are much cheaper than Battlecruisers, ergo gankers can now coordinate with others to attack simultaneously resulting in larger more profitable targets at half the cost.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2012-05-28 05:43:37 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Because Destroyers were recently buffed. Plus the fact that Destroyers are much cheaper than Battlecruisers, ergo gankers can now coordinate with others to attack simultaneously resulting in larger more profitable targets at half the cost.


Cost is an even bigger factor in a gank now that the full cost of the ganking boat needs to be factored in. This is why outside of hulkageddon miners don't tend to get attacked by much more than a destroyer and tanked barges get passed by unless you earn a gank via smacktalk or have a pimp fit.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#59 - 2012-05-28 05:54:43 UTC
Kaserin Smarte wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Seems this is why he is here.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13474589



Nope wanted him to blow me up so i can go and get him....so nice try.

This is not same rage get rid of ganking or i quit post. I am trying to find compromise and balance to the game.


There will never be optimal balance in this game and CCP is going to shake things to make constantly changing environment for players to invent new ways to kill other players.

Carebearing does not work without destruction. There is no reason to mine anything if things does not blow up.
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