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With missiles getting so much attention lately...
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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#21 - 2012-05-27 06:28:01 UTC
Leisen wrote:
I thought I'd ask, does anyone know why missiles travel so slowly? They tell us our ships are slow because of how the warp drive functions, creating drag or something. What about missiles though? Surely our missiles aren't equipped with a warp drive, although given the technology available it would make since...if our missiles also followed a target who warped off...but they do not.

tl;dr
Space is big for a missile.


Train your skills to increase their velocity, if you think it should be instant damage immediately after firing, You have bigger issues than missiles.
Meolyne
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-27 11:57:53 UTC
Aerodynamic, Mach x, submarine...

what's the point anyway ?

On our beloved Earth, There are missiles not citadel sized which can press the "nature reset" button on a vast area.
N-U-K-E.
and we're only in 2012.

It's crystal clear Missiles in Eve will NEVER ever looks like the one you'll (not) see in hundreds years.
I'm ok for Railgun(Halo style), Autcannons (BSG style), Lasers ( Engage that Borg ffs ! ) but it's utterly false with missile.
Unless the vacuum of space in in fact Etherum, like in 1500's.


They can start fix that by inserting a big red button for caldari vessels.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#23 - 2012-05-27 12:03:13 UTC
What missiles really NEED is to be usable in PVP...

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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#24 - 2012-05-27 12:13:27 UTC
Because it makes the physics-engine cry Ugh

They tried it around the nano-nerf. Some of the slow-ass missiles could use/get a velocity increase tho.
Leisen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-28 02:04:42 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
Leisen wrote:
I thought I'd ask, does anyone know why missiles travel so slowly? They tell us our ships are slow because of how the warp drive functions, creating drag or something. What about missiles though? Surely our missiles aren't equipped with a warp drive, although given the technology available it would make since...if our missiles also followed a target who warped off...but they do not.

tl;dr
Space is big for a missile.


Train your skills to increase their velocity, if you think it should be instant damage immediately after firing, You have bigger issues than missiles.


NO U! No one has said anything about missiles being instant damage. Don't troll my humble thread. AND FURTHERMORE, SIR....missile projection V. :P
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2012-05-28 02:09:02 UTC
Leisen wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
Leisen wrote:
I thought I'd ask, does anyone know why missiles travel so slowly? They tell us our ships are slow because of how the warp drive functions, creating drag or something. What about missiles though? Surely our missiles aren't equipped with a warp drive, although given the technology available it would make since...if our missiles also followed a target who warped off...but they do not.

tl;dr
Space is big for a missile.


Train your skills to increase their velocity, if you think it should be instant damage immediately after firing, You have bigger issues than missiles.


NO U! No one has said anything about missiles being instant damage. Don't troll my humble thread. AND FURTHERMORE, SIR....missile projection V. :P

You can also try the implant and I think the missile rigs.

And a ship with velocity bonus, I guess.

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Snow Burst
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-28 02:15:54 UTC
Leisen wrote:
I thought I'd ask, does anyone know why missiles travel so slowly? They tell us our ships are slow because of how the warp drive functions, creating drag or something. What about missiles though? Surely our missiles aren't equipped with a warp drive, although given the technology available it would make since...if our missiles also followed a target who warped off...but they do not.

tl;dr
Space is big for a missile.

because 60km is a **** tonne far away thats why

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Leisen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-05-28 02:31:24 UTC
Snow Burst wrote:
because 60km is a **** tonne far away thats why


Totally, just not for projectiles. Roll
Snow Burst
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-28 02:33:49 UTC
Leisen wrote:
Snow Burst wrote:
because 60km is a **** tonne far away thats why


Totally, just not for projectiles. Roll

lol tiny ass artillery shells fly faster because of inital blast of inertia missles have to accelerate and are much bigger and also have to guide them selves

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Leisen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-05-28 03:08:35 UTC
Snow Burst wrote:
Leisen wrote:
Snow Burst wrote:
because 60km is a **** tonne far away thats why


Totally, just not for projectiles. Roll

lol tiny ass artillery shells fly faster because of inital blast of inertia missles have to accelerate and are much bigger and also have to guide them selves


A 1400mm howitzer isn't what I'd call small, but it still covers 200km instantly. Not 5km/s, not 50km/s, not 200km/s. Instantly.
Llywelyn Emrys
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-28 03:18:54 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
Because it makes the physics-engine cry Ugh

They tried it around the nano-nerf. Some of the slow-ass missiles could use/get a velocity increase tho.


If they made it that missiles were no longer physical objects and the effect we see as missiles was just that, an effect, wouldn't that be a work around to the physics engine limitations?
Leisen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-05-28 06:12:19 UTC
Llywelyn Emrys wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Because it makes the physics-engine cry Ugh

They tried it around the nano-nerf. Some of the slow-ass missiles could use/get a velocity increase tho.


If they made it that missiles were no longer physical objects and the effect we see as missiles was just that, an effect, wouldn't that be a work around to the physics engine limitations?


I imagine it would, and that would probably be the ideal way to deal with missiles, but let's be realistic, and stick to ideas that don't require much work on CCP's end. ha
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2012-05-28 06:18:09 UTC
Leisen wrote:
Llywelyn Emrys wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Because it makes the physics-engine cry Ugh

They tried it around the nano-nerf. Some of the slow-ass missiles could use/get a velocity increase tho.


If they made it that missiles were no longer physical objects and the effect we see as missiles was just that, an effect, wouldn't that be a work around to the physics engine limitations?


I imagine it would, and that would probably be the ideal way to deal with missiles, but let's be realistic, and stick to ideas that don't require much work on CCP's end. ha

Don't they have to be for the defender missiles?

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#34 - 2012-05-28 06:45:30 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
What missiles really NEED is to be usable in PVP...


This.

Missiles were nerfed out of EVE years ago. They don't even make good PvE weapons. Inferno is a nice expansion but it's 4 years late.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-05-28 07:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Ocih wrote:


Missiles were nerfed out of EVE years ago. They don't even make good PvE weapons.


Totally. That's why nine out of ten Battlecruisers are Drakes. Because Missiles are useless for PvE.

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Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-05-28 07:21:44 UTC
Fire ze Missiles!

I always had a saying for PvP - Missiles for show, guns for a pro.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-28 07:55:56 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Ocih wrote:


Missiles were nerfed out of EVE years ago. They don't even make good PvE weapons.


Totally. That's why nine out of ten Battlecruisers are Drakes. Because Missiles are useless for PvE.


All those Tengus are rail fit too.
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-05-28 08:14:20 UTC
A ship like the cerb has a decent missile velocity with a few missile rigs... at that point you can get heavy missiles to go 12+ km/sec

I too agree that missiles should get a speed boost equal to that of a cerb, and flight time adjusted to match same distance as before... also, the cerb should keep its speed bonus so it goes even faster

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Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
#39 - 2012-05-28 08:27:43 UTC
Actually it would be nice if missiles could miss. If they miss they should detonate close to the target with reduced damage. CCP could even boost the damage (a bit) to compensate. And ships (only frigs?) need decoy flares.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-28 08:30:13 UTC
You're all forgetting that Missiles don't miss.

Travel time is the price you pay for that luxury.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.