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Moon mineing (O-Tec) needs a "balance"
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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#221 - 2012-05-27 22:22:15 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?


I am refering to BoB, the NC, TRI (the first one all the way to the fifth) ASCN, MC, Red Alliance, C02 ect ect. All of them were seen as invincible at some point and all of them collapsed.


I could look up their history and see where they reformed under other names, but I have to eat.

Those reading can decide whether you are a trustworthy and believable person.

What I said for BoB still stands unanswered by the way.


By your logic one could say that BoB's downfall was guaranteed by their joining EVE.

It's technically true, but really is beside the point. Bob lost sov over because of the disband, but then they retook sov almost immediately after under Kenzoku. They actually lost their space because of the huge blunder by the capital fleet resulting in the month-long hellcamp of PR-.


There downfall was guaranteed by their CCP friends being fired/demoted/outed.

Else the exploit would have been rolled back.

In fact, it should have been rolled back anyway.

Why wasn't it?

Who was BoB fighting at the time?

Oh. Light bulb.


This is literally Glenn Beck logic. You are a lost cause, I'm not arguing with you anymore. I sincerely hope you find some good psychiatric help before you really go off the deep end and hurt somebody.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#222 - 2012-05-27 22:24:00 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
You know, I'm starting to think someone's made Jesse-A mad.

Hard to tell with NPC corp forum alts..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#223 - 2012-05-27 22:24:58 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
There downfall was guaranteed by their CCP friends being fired/demoted/outed.

Else the exploit would have been rolled back.

In fact, it should have been rolled back anyway.

Why wasn't it?

Who was BoB fighting at the time?

Oh. Light bulb.

This is literally Glenn Beck logic. You are a lost cause, I'm not arguing with you anymore. I sincerely hope you find some good psychiatric help before you really go off the deep end and hurt somebody.

Oh oh, it was us, wasn't it !

That makes sense, actually we jacked all the T2 BPOs as well, and used BoB as the fall guy, right?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2012-05-27 22:27:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
You know, I'm starting to think someone's made Jesse-A mad.

Hard to tell with NPC corp forum alts..

Nah. This is stereotypical "I'm so mad I'm literally crying blood" mad.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#225 - 2012-05-27 22:29:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
You know, I'm starting to think someone's made Jesse-A mad.

Hard to tell with NPC corp forum alts..

Nah. This is stereotypical "I'm so mad I'm literally crying blood" mad.

It's a stereotype now?

Huh, the things you learn on EVE-O

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Foder Enaka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#226 - 2012-05-28 00:30:36 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#227 - 2012-05-28 01:22:22 UTC
I've seen some terrible threads in my day.

But arguing about whether BoB losing sov was CCP exploiting a mechanic to favor Goonswarm back in 2006 as part of some 5 Year Plan of Goon Domination in a thread about OTEC (not O-tech, not OTECH, not O-TEC, jesus christ) and comparing them to the recently nerfed Incursions...

This is the worst thread, posted in a terrible forum.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#228 - 2012-05-28 02:11:34 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
I've seen some terrible threads in my day.

But arguing about whether BoB losing sov was CCP exploiting a mechanic to favor Goonswarm back in 2006 as part of some 5 Year Plan of Goon Domination in a thread about OTEC (not O-tech, not OTECH, not O-TEC, jesus christ) and comparing them to the recently nerfed Incursions...

This is the worst thread, posted in a terrible forum.

No, this is an amazing thread.

Even back then, Band of Developers was actually DevSwarm.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2012-05-28 02:13:25 UTC
I'm CCP Spartacus

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#230 - 2012-05-28 02:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
There downfall was guaranteed by their CCP friends being fired/demoted/outed.

Else the exploit would have been rolled back.

In fact, it should have been rolled back anyway.

Why wasn't it?

Who was BoB fighting at the time?

Oh. Light bulb.

This is literally Glenn Beck logic. You are a lost cause, I'm not arguing with you anymore. I sincerely hope you find some good psychiatric help before you really go off the deep end and hurt somebody.

Oh oh, it was us, wasn't it !

That makes sense, actually we jacked all the T2 BPOs as well, and used BoB as the fall guy, right?


No, the people who jacked the BPOs for BoB were fired/demoted and no longer able to protect BoB.

And then, with a new group of Devs, rulings began taking another direction.

Then we here this incredibly stupid claim:
"Can't change tech moons 'till they got it right' ".

As if anything CCP has done in the last month indicates that they ever wait to "do something right".

There is a 40 page thread currently present in which people complain about a poorly implemented inventory system which NOBODY ASKED FOR being released before even being completely developed for no reason that I can comprehend. Did they think people were going to unsub if they didn't get their single window inventory in Inferno? Did most players even know it was coming?

Failures of that magnitude, it boggles the mind.

Clearly, being unable to "do it right" is no barrier at all to game destroying changes when the current group of Devs WANNA.

So, they don't WANNA change tech moons. The question is why.

Question. I crack myself up.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2012-05-28 02:37:36 UTC
Look at that incoherent frothy sperg. LOOK AT IT.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#232 - 2012-05-28 02:43:51 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Look at that incoherent frothy sperg. LOOK AT IT.


Nope, I wasn't over-vaccinated with Thimerosal. No 'spergism here, skippy.

And no, that was a relatively minor mistake from Big Pharma.

Just a few years ago they killed a few hundred thousand Americans.

Didn't hear about it in the news? It's right in the mortality tables. How odd.

Drug introduced, sudden unexplained bump in heart attacks.

Drug banned. Sudden unexplained drop in heart attack death rate.

How is clever working out for you?
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#233 - 2012-05-28 03:06:21 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Nope, I wasn't over-vaccinated with Thimerosal. No 'spergism here, skippy.

And no, that was a relatively minor mistake from Big Pharma.

Just a few years ago they killed a few hundred thousand Americans.

Didn't hear about it in the news? It's right in the mortality tables. How odd.

Drug introduced, sudden unexplained bump in heart attacks.

Drug banned. Sudden unexplained drop in heart attack death rate.

How is clever working out for you?

Lord Zim wrote:
Look at that incoherent frothy sperg. LOOK AT IT.
Frying Doom
#234 - 2012-05-28 03:28:33 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details.

I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing.

The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL

Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit


This agreement effects 90% of the tech moons, how are new commers, the smaller corps/alliances ment to even get started?
Its things like this that put new people off and eventualy will be the death of the game


If tech moons are the best paying moons shouldn't they really be in the most dangerous environment (As stated many times by members of Goonswarm)

Wormholes. Just move them there and that will fix the problem right up. Makes them more likely to be fought over and makes the risk vs reward fit.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#235 - 2012-05-28 03:33:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
nullsec has far more pvp & pve losses per player then wormhole space, check CCP Diagoras' stats

hth
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#236 - 2012-05-28 04:25:31 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Clearly, being unable to "do it right" is no barrier at all to game destroying changes when the current group of Devs WANNA.

So, they don't WANNA change tech moons. The question is why.

Question. I crack myself up.

:smug:

Why bother doing anything else when this what what the forums are filled with.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frying Doom
#237 - 2012-05-28 04:31:43 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
nullsec has far pvp & pve losses per player then wormhole space, check CCP Diagoras' stats

hth

Ok well the stats From December 5th, 2007 until November 29th, 2011 are:



PVP PVE Total

High Sec 1,974,022 6,317,926 8,291,948

Low Sec 4,126,911 510,683 4,637,594

Null Sec 7,061,988 568,353 7,630,341

Wormhole 377,786 162,126 539,912

So if you argument just went on these numbers the most dangerous space is Hi-sec. Having the highest number of PvP & PvE kills totaled.

With Amamake, Jita Rancer and Tama as the most dangerous Systems before you get into Null sec and of the remaining 6 of the top 10 one is NPC null and another low sec with only 4 of the top 10 in Sov space.

Yes wormhole space is underutilized if Tech was moved there it would gain more population and fit the risk vs. reward.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#238 - 2012-05-28 04:42:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
nullsec has far pvp & pve losses per player then wormhole space, check CCP Diagoras' stats

hth

Ok well the stats From December 5th, 2007 until November 29th, 2011 are:



PVP PVE Total

High Sec 1,974,022 6,317,926 8,291,948

Low Sec 4,126,911 510,683 4,637,594

Null Sec 7,061,988 568,353 7,630,341

Wormhole 377,786 162,126 539,912

So if you argument just went on these numbers the most dangerous space is Hi-sec. Having the highest number of PvP & PvE kills totaled.

With Amamake, Jita Rancer and Tama as the most dangerous Systems before you get into Null sec and of the remaining 6 of the top 10 one is NPC null and another low sec with only 4 of the top 10 in Sov space.

Yes wormhole space is underutilized if Tech was moved there it would gain more population and fit the risk vs. reward.



Yes because its easy to get the freighters in and out of wormholes (you see tech is pretty big and requires large vessels to move around, you'd understand this if you literally had any idea what you're talking about).

If people are upset about the price spikes now, move it all in wormholes and watch how fast it climbs, 500 million isk hacs all day long.



Also since wormholes are completely broken in that once a group fully moves into a wormhole and fortifies it they're nearly impossible to ever get out, the problem you have with the current tech holders would be compounded and magnified by the new tech holders.


At the end of the day its ok for you to admit that you're jealous of what other players worked a year and more to create, but at least understand enough about the game to know whats a good idea and what isn't (none of your ideas were good).

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#239 - 2012-05-28 04:47:19 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
words


wow it's almost like you don't understand what the "per player" qualifier entails

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Frying Doom
#240 - 2012-05-28 04:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Grath Telkin wrote:
Yes because its easy to get the freighters in and out of wormholes (you see tech is pretty big and requires large vessels to move around, you'd understand this if you literally had any idea what you're talking about).

If people are upset about the price spikes now, move it all in wormholes and watch how fast it climbs, 500 million isk hacs all day long.

Also since wormholes are completely broken in that once a group fully moves into a wormhole and fortifies it they're nearly impossible to ever get out, the problem you have with the current tech holders would be compounded and magnified by the new tech holders.

At the end of the day its ok for you to admit that you're jealous of what other players worked a year and more to create, but at least understand enough about the game to know whats a good idea and what isn't (none of your ideas were good).

Well at least you seem to disagree with the other Null sec residents. They don't seem to believe there is a difference between Null and Wormhole space besides the loss of local.

And you are right I honestly know little about tech moons other than they have one again caused a bottleneck in production.

I was more interested in a quote on the differences from Null to wormhole space that is harder to argue, than I care about tech.

Thanks

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!