EVE General Discussion

Which are clearly effective [/sarcasm].

I think that's the problem, none of these are particularly effective in a high sec zone. Particularly when these individuals are able to dock at stations, etc, as if nothing had happened.

Hello Oddball,

......[omitted for character limit -Mercy]

Lets move on to the matter at hand shall we, your Hulk and pod that so unfortunately (for you) died due to my actions in Bahromab, which you seem to think is some random act of griefing. Since arguing opinions would be a futile exercise I shall instead share with you the work that went into accomplishing your virtual demise in this instance. And some views on EVE as a game.

As you may or may not have noticed I'm -10.0 which means operating in hisec takes some doing, so lets start with that.
In order to find targets I use an alt, unlike most gankers my alt isn't exactly inconspicuous had you paid attention to local in Bahromab you would have noticed Kohana Maxwell. She was around for quite a while as you switched belts several times before you finally (almost) stayed put. Had you paid any attention to your directional scanner you would have also noticed combat probes following you around from belt to belt. Anyway I digress.
Once I seized you up to be a viable target I undocked from Youl station, which is in hisec (0.8), and warped to an undock bookmark I had made earlier using said alt. Then I proceed to head over to Bahromab which is a 7 jump journey since I have to avoid the busy system of Madirmilire which often has suicide gankers of a different brand present who would happily explode my flashy red catalyst upon entering the system. Regardless that is 7 jumps on which any alert players can end my endeavour there and then.
Eventually I arrived in Kudi, one jump away from you, sadly for me you at this point decided to switch belts again so I spend the next 3 or 4 minutes bouncing between celestials in Kudi with the Amarr Navy in hot pursuit. Meanwhile waiting for you to pick a new belt (Planet 5 Belt 1 if I recall correctly) and dual boxing keeping Kaeda alive and moving and relocating probes on Kohana to get a decent warp in.
When this finally happened I came into system had Kohana squad warp Kaeda on top of you and exploded your hulk and indeed you pod. Which turned out to be quite the rewarding killmail indeed.

Afterwards I salvaged the wreck and looted I think a single T2 stripminer the result of which only just about covered the cost of my T2 fitted catalyst. Which hadn't it been for the well nice pod mail would have made me consider it a mediocre gank, I like to actually run a profit on them.
You see and this is where we differ in opinion, what you call griefing isn't in fact griefing so much. I make decent ISK ganking miners I wrote a lengthy blog on it here. Yes obviously Hulkageddon provides added value (for me), I'll even admit I would have done other things in May in EVE had it not been Hulkageddon. I don't even do it for the tears which I also wrote a lengthy blog about actually. But that said a competition to liven things up a little, plus chatting with other gankers and all in all Hulkageddon is quite the worthwhile content to me. And Helicity is a star for putting in the time to organize and administer it all if you ask me.

Anyway Oddball, I don't think we are very likely to ever agree on what comprises 'fun gameplay', but I would like to point out that when you come to a sandbox game you might want to keep in mind that what you consider 'fun' or 'worthwhile' might not even be recognizable as such by somebody else in the same sandbox. You may think of me as some random griefer, while in fact I'm having a lot of fun working around the fact I'm -10.0 and attempting to make a profit ganking miners in hisec despite it (and succeeding).
You don't however see me going onto the forums and writing some wall of text quoting the EULA to try and get CCP to remove mining from the sandbox because I don't consider it fun or entertaining, I'd appreciate it if you'd at least consider providing us 'griefers' the same courtesy. At the end of the day EVE is a a sandbox and a PvP game that you and I both willingly subscribe too and I may assume (I hope) while being aware of both these things.
Yet here you are pleading to CCP to invalidate a gameplay style you don't agree with for mostly no other reason then that it interferes with your own.
Nothing is stopping you from interfering with my playstyle for the record, and I mean in game within EVE's existing framework and rules (instead of by trying to get CCP to change the rules). Such is the very nature and beauty of EVE.

I look forward to your cunning ingame revenge. I promise not to post a lengthy post on the forums begging CCP's aide when it happens.

Peace,

Kaeda out.

p.s. After the 29th I'll be out in lowsec and null again you'll be pleased to learn, contrary to popular myth being a ganker and a pvp'er aren't mutually exclusive.

Only one reason why so-called "pirates" would want to "ply their trade" in high sec - it's EASY.

where your security is provided by other fellow and known players

They've been doing this for over half a decade.

And slowly getting there.

You give em an inch and they take a ******* mile.

Insurance payouts were recently taken away for losses caused by concord. That change made a lot of sense and forced gankers to make things a little more cost effective.

So you want to take more? Why not just request the removal of non-consensual pvp from hisec seeing as thats what youll be asking for 3 months after they introduced said fines...

...and another thing; there's nothing more vile being spilled out by you lot than the claim that you should be allowed to mine in peace because after all this is a sandbox game and youre free to do whatever you like. God forbid anyone trying to stop you because as we all know its a sandbox game...

A Simple Response

I would suggest the response is simple and two pronged.

1. Concord notices the drop in the markets and in order to ensure the supposed stability of the universe, have placed a couple of concord ships resident in high sec asteroid belts only in addition to their current locations.


2. CCP begins warning and taking action against blatant high sec offenders.

Anecdotal evidence has already started to surface of player discontent with allowing these actions to remain unpunished and indeed unrestrained. I question how long CCP will wait to allow bands of players to flagrantly collude to ignore intended game mechanics and deny greater segments of the player base the enjoyment of the chosen virtual profession that keeps the real-life game revenue coming in.

no hope for retriever pilots, huh?