EVE General Discussion

CONCORD provides consequences, not protection. HighSec is Higher Security. Doesn't say anything about safety.



HiSec is just as big of a PvP playground as the rest of EvE. Most of it just happens to be in the form of Market PvP. Since it would break the game to be able to opt out of only some PvP, any PvP-Opt out would have to be permanent and cut the toon off from the PvP side. SiSi works really well if you want to do stuff without PvP.



The Sandbox has only enough room for so many castles before people want to knock them down. The smarter monkeys learn to protect the castles that are important to them.

EvE is a Niche game, and that's why it's subs have been growing year after year for all 8 years. Besides WoW, no other MMO has done that. Removing PvP would turn EvE into a themepark MMO and it would likely follow the themepark MMO pattern:

Launch > People > People finish content in 2 months > People unsub until next expansion > Company folds.

Yes, "enemy." You are my enemy, and you are the enemy of all EVE whether you know it or not.

I wholeheartedly support the actions being taken against you, and I congratulate Kaeda Maxwell for destroying your mining vessel. I think Kaeda Maxwell deserves particular credit for killing your pod. Most highsec gankers are unable to kill the pods which, as we see in your case, often hold very valuable implants.

If you are genuinely interested in learning why you are the enemy, and why you need to cease your mining activity, I invite you to read this quick post I wrote on the topic, which explains everything.

Regardless, I wish you the best, unless you continue to mine in highsec in which case I wish you unending destruction (no offense).

Actually there are many good ideas... paying fines for suicideganking ... also does make the timer for concord last only in gametime so there is no point for the player to log off to wait out the timer with their main instead ... so that would make them having to wait a while before next target and such.

The ganker loses their ship
They get a sec status hit and will be attacked by the empire navies when it gets low enough
They turn flashy red in local and on the overveiw
Anyone can attack a -10 pirates ship
Concord will destroy any ship the pirate gets into within 15 minutes of aggression
The "victim" can kill the pirate

Seems we already have penalties in place.

Which are clearly effective [/sarcasm].

I think that's the problem, none of these are particularly effective in a high sec zone. Particularly when these individuals are able to dock at stations, etc, as if nothing had happened.

Log in and jump into a badger

Now park yourself on the perimiter gate in jita and count how long it takes for someone to kill you.


Then take a badger to a high traffic lowsec gate and count how long you last.

I've been CRAB-WOWED !

+20

If there's enough buffs the only fail fit will be one without max yield.

Role playing violates the rules of the sandbox. More importantly, role playing usually doesn't destroy a ship which often results in more plex/money for CCP.

Hello Oddball,

I'm sure you know who I am. You'll be pleased to learn (I hope) I don't live in my mothers basement either. In fact it's a fairly nice three bedroom apartment with two balconies. I'm not a husband or a father because I instead would like to retire early to a nice cottage preferably overlooking the sea, and well children cost money. We all make our choices in life. I am however like you employed full time, I fly a desk nothing overly impressive. I fail to see how any of this is relevant to EVE Online, which is a fictional universe that only exists as code on a server-park somewhere in London.
But since you seemed to think real life had some bearing on all this I decided to be courteous and indulge you.

Lets move on to the matter at hand shall we, your Hulk and pod that so unfortunately (for you) died due to my actions in Bahromab, which you seem to think is some random act of griefing. Since arguing opinions would be a futile exercise I shall instead share with you the work that went into accomplishing your virtual demise in this instance. And some views on EVE as a game.

As you may or may not have noticed I'm -10.0 which means operating in hisec takes some doing, so lets start with that.
In order to find targets I use an alt, unlike most gankers my alt isn't exactly inconspicuous had you paid attention to local in Bahromab you would have noticed Kohana Maxwell. She was around for quite a while as you switched belts several times before you finally (almost) stayed put. Had you paid any attention to your directional scanner you would have also noticed combat probes following you around from belt to belt. Anyway I digress.
Once I seized you up to be a viable target I undocked from Youl station, which is in hisec (0.8), and warped to an undock bookmark I had made earlier using said alt. Then I proceed to head over to Bahromab which is a 7 jump journey since I have to avoid the busy system of Madirmilire which often has suicide gankers of a different brand present who would happily explode my flashy red catalyst upon entering the system. Regardless that is 7 jumps on which any alert players can end my endeavour there and then.
Eventually I arrived in Kudi, one jump away from you, sadly for me you at this point decided to switch belts again so I spend the next 3 or 4 minutes bouncing between celestials in Kudi with the Amarr Navy in hot pursuit. Meanwhile waiting for you to pick a new belt (Planet 5 Belt 1 if I recall correctly) and dual boxing keeping Kaeda alive and moving and relocating probes on Kohana to get a decent warp in.
When this finally happened I came into system had Kohana squad warp Kaeda on top of you and exploded your hulk and indeed you pod. Which turned out to be quite the rewarding killmail indeed.

Afterwards I salvaged the wreck and looted I think a single T2 stripminer the result of which only just about covered the cost of my T2 fitted catalyst. Which hadn't it been for the well nice pod mail would have made me consider it a mediocre gank, I like to actually run a profit on them.
You see and this is where we differ in opinion, what you call griefing isn't in fact griefing so much. I make decent ISK ganking miners I wrote a lengthy blog on it here. Yes obviously Hulkageddon provides added value (for me), I'll even admit I would have done other things in May in EVE had it not been Hulkageddon. I don't even do it for the tears which I also wrote a lengthy blog about actually. But that said a competition to liven things up a little, plus chatting with other gankers and all in all Hulkageddon is quite the worthwhile content to me. And Helicity is a star for putting in the time to organize and administer it all if you ask me.

Anyway Oddball, I don't think we are very likely to ever agree on what comprises 'fun gameplay', but I would like to point out that when you come to a sandbox game you might want to keep in mind that what you consider 'fun' or 'worthwhile' might not even be recognizable as such by somebody else in the same sandbox. You may think of me as some random griefer, while in fact I'm having a lot of fun working around the fact I'm -10.0 and attempting to make a profit ganking miners in hisec despite it (and succeeding).
You don't however see me going onto the forums and writing some wall of text quoting the EULA to try and get CCP to remove mining from the sandbox because I don't consider it fun or entertaining, I'd appreciate it if you'd at least consider providing us 'griefers' the same courtesy. At the end of the day EVE is a a sandbox and a PvP game that you and I both willingly subscribe too and I may assume (I hope) while being aware of both these things.
Yet here you are pleading to CCP to invalidate a gameplay style you don't agree with for mostly no other reason then that it interferes with your own.
Nothing is stopping you from interfering with my playstyle for the record, and I mean in game within EVE's existing framework and rules (instead of by trying to get CCP to change the rules). Such is the very nature and beauty of EVE.

I look forward to your cunning ingame revenge. I promise not to post a lengthy post on the forums begging CCP's aide when it happens.

Peace,

Kaeda out.

p.s. After the 29th I'll be out in lowsec and null again you'll be pleased to learn, contrary to popular myth being a ganker and a pvp'er aren't mutually exclusive.