EVE General Discussion

I keep hearing this 'throw away' nonsense. I've yet to see anyone ever prove it. Which you'd think they'd be happy to, given that recycling alts to get around negative security status is (unlike suicide ganking) a violation of the rules, and dealt with rather harshly.

It wasn't the goons who first found out you could make a profit from killing untanked hulks. It also wasn't the goons who came up with hulkageddon. Your definition of greifing is also wildly wrong as under your idea of what greifing is everyone in 0.0 and lowsec should be banned.

I would like to thank the OP for making this thread.

He has proven the point I have been trying to make for some time now:

Highsec miners like the OP want their hulks to be absolutely invincible in highsec, even if they put no tanking modules on their ships whatsoever. They want to ban anti-mining activity like Hulkageddon. They literally want CCP to stop you from shooting at their ships, because they think they are entitled to mine in total peace and security.

This is the enemy we are fighting.

Well it tells me that miners are a CCP sanctioned profession despite what Goons feels about it, industrialist are also sanctioned professions in this game.

That's fine, it doesn't mean they're entitled to be wrapped in cotton wool though. If they can't protect their interests then they run the risk of losing them just like everyone else in the game.

Again, you say things everyone already knows.

The enemy?

Because apparently the game WASNT engineered to have different security spaces. Apparently your argument is that the sandbox portion of multiplayer sandbox is paramount, and the clear measures CCP has already taken (and are being ignored or engineered around) to protect high sec are really just a way of making sure you can personally do whatever you want.

Say what you like, CCP has engineered game elements intended to establish and protect high security space outside of clearly defined conditions like corp war decs, allowing retribution for illegal actions like theft, etc.

Those elements clearly establish an intent to allow for a space which also has its costs. The key high value ores which are required for high value manufacturing are not present in high sec. Anchoring cannot happen in sec above 0.7. Certain types of missions are not available in high sec. The missions and activities available in high sec are broadly speaking lower value than those in low sec and null sec.

CCP needs to make a decision. Was high sec essentially a "cul de sac" intended exclusively to allow newbie generation, OR do they want to protect the segment of revenue which comes from gamers interested in activities OTHER than the pvp oriented play of low/null sec?

Because that's the decision at the end of the day. Do they want to act and protect the account base as it stands today, or are they willing to see what the long term effect is if these activities change the dynamic of who plays and pays over the long term? Remember a tenth of a percentage point of the player base is real money. It moves profitability. It affects marketing and other expenses. When you get to 1, 2, 4, 7% of the player base, now you are affecting current jobs and future development.

CCP needs to make a call.

Is this a anyone does anything sandbox? Or does high sec mean something? And where is the line drawn? Because today, gamers have found ways to organize and deter mining to the tune of 40% percent, and affect the mining operations and assets of thousands of players. Some of whom may be making the decision that the game is no longer worth the investment or that its not the game they thought it was. Apparently the sandbox only has room for the ones willing to fling crap, and not for those interested in building castles.

And what happens when the 10% of the player base or whatever it is who is building sandcastles in the corner leaves? Do some of the crap slingers leave too because some of the targets are gone?

If local were removed pirates would have a chance at attacking something more worthwhile than miners.

CCP made the call 11 years ago when they came up with EVE. I am currently building my castle in high sec and have been for a very long time.

You couldn't gank them for profit and as a result a lot less miners would die. Hulkageddon would still happen but that only lasts for a few weeks at most. Attention would shift to the poorly tanked haulers with far too much isk in their holds and pimp fitted mission boats.