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Mining Profession Removal
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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#1 - 2012-05-27 21:47:43 UTC
I do not want to see this, but since the outcry of hulkaggedon(however you spell it), and the response of players.

Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. You can refine everything from mission drops for minerals, not that missioners don't get ganked, but certainly no where near the mining populous since missioners have actual tanking abilities.

I'm certain indy corps would be against this, but on these forums, they are the 'minority' compared to the grievers.

tl;dr what do you think? would gankers say no, since then they have to actually coordinate ganks against harder targets?

PS yes, I have a hulk trained up including orca skills, havent and wont use them for a long while if ever again tbh.

PSS no, I have never 'ganked' anyone in hi sec nor do i have the desire too.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#2 - 2012-05-27 21:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Really - who need miners when there are so many meta1-3 items to re-process from missioners' activity?

However I foresee "missiongeddons" coming in case of mining disappearance so there is no point to start messing with mining removal - most likely whining will never end in EVE.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-05-27 21:58:57 UTC
not sure if serious...

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Llywelyn Emrys
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-05-27 22:01:38 UTC
It's PPS, not PSS. PPS stands for "post-post script" in the same way that PS stands for "post script".

Anyways, as far as this goes, why? People enjoy it. Smart miners have adapted to the constant ganking. Dumb ones have left. Smart miners get bigger profits as a result. A win-win for the EVE community, I think.

And as far as missions being a primary source of minerals, it seems like CCP is going towards the removal of so-called 'gun mining, starting with the drone regions. Missions may be not far behind.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-05-27 22:02:22 UTC
This got asked after the very first hulkageddon all those years ago and miners are still with us. I guess they must play a roll.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#6 - 2012-05-27 22:02:23 UTC
look, this is about YOUR opinions, not starting fights/petitions. It is a serious question that I want to see what the community at large believes (yes, i know forums are minority). Everyone's opinion counts as much as anyone else's. But, I am curious to what people would think, would it break the game? gankers and indy corps unsub? mission carebears become the dominate roll....

You get the idea
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-27 22:03:43 UTC
Imagine how much mission loot you'd need to refine to build a Titan.. o_0
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#8 - 2012-05-27 22:04:39 UTC
Llywelyn Emrys wrote:
It's PPS, not PSS. PPS stands for "post-post script" in the same way that PS stands for "post script".

Anyways, as far as this goes, why? People enjoy it. Smart miners have adapted to the constant ganking. Dumb ones have left. Smart miners get bigger profits as a result. A win-win for the EVE community, I think.

And as far as missions being a primary source of minerals, it seems like CCP is going towards the removal of so-called 'gun mining, starting with the drone regions. Missions may be not far behind.


Thanks for the clarification, I love learning new things everyday.

I enjoyed mining to a degree, granted when I am multitasking with work only, if I can focus on the game, I prefer to rat or pvp in null myself or scan down sites.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#9 - 2012-05-27 22:05:55 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Imagine how much mission loot you'd need to refine to build a Titan.. o_0

LOL I dont want to even think about that, granted cap ships even with all my years of playing, I have zero knowledge about.

I am sure the amount of mining would be extreme, to put it mildly.
Mathias Hex
#10 - 2012-05-27 22:16:45 UTC
Ya I'm sure you can get a few mil trit easily from running a couple missions.

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2012-05-27 22:19:21 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Imagine how much mission loot you'd need to refine to build a Titan.. o_0

LOL I dont want to even think about that, granted cap ships even with all my years of playing, I have zero knowledge about.

I am sure the amount of mining would be extreme, to put it mildly.

Supercaps need tons of stuff, so yeah. Without all the trit from highsec and a good amount of nullsec renters mining stuff for highends, they'd cost a lot more.

There's already tons of titans already though.

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#12 - 2012-05-27 22:25:22 UTC
Not all miners are the clueless dolts we tend to see complaining about having their 300 mill untanked hulk blown up, they're just the ones who don't seem to ever learn much beyond how to activate a mining laser and haul their precious ore. There are miners out there who aren't evernoobs and actually bother to learn about how the rest of the game works, those are the ones who know how to take care of themselves and their ships.

It's a shame that some people sign up for this game and do nothing but mine all day and never even seem to bother trying to learn other part of the game to figure out ways to defend themselves and their interests, they'd just rather bleat on the forums for CCP to protect them instead of actually getting of their backsides and doing something themselves like the ones who are actually capable of doing that.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#13 - 2012-05-27 22:31:42 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
It's a shame that some people sign up for this game and do nothing but mine all day and never even seem to bother trying to learn other part of the game to figure out ways to defend themselves and their interests, they'd just rather bleat on the forums for CCP to protect them instead of actually getting of their backsides and doing something themselves like the ones who are actually capable of doing that.

It's more like the ones that don't whine are freeloading off the whiners because they also benefit from improved concord response time, buffs to hulks (if they occur as whined for) and other such bonuses, without having to type out long whine posts.

Do your part, guys, whine in unison. From each according to his posting ability ! To each according to his yield vs tank tradeoff!

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-27 22:35:25 UTC
I see dead people.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2012-05-27 22:37:16 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
I see dead people.

Frozen corpses?

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-27 22:43:07 UTC
Okay lets see now.

The mineral market would have to be completely redone.
The Ice Market would have to be completely redone.
Hulkageedon would become a thing of the past.
Gankers would be stuck with gate camping.
And lets remove the following as well
Rorqual, and all the Mining Barges/ Exhumers, and all associated items and BPO's
The Orca could also be removed (there is an argument to keep it though but not much of one)

I can't see one bit of this that would be good for anybody.
By removing mining you are starting down a path of lets just remove all industry for the game.
And that basically turns EVE into a FPS.
And we all know how long FPS's last.

So ummmmm NO.......

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Shian Yang
#17 - 2012-05-27 22:45:23 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. You can refine everything from mission drops for minerals, not that missioners don't get ganked, but certainly no where near the mining populous since missioners have actual tanking abilities.


Greetings capsuleer,

I sincerely hope you never get a fly in your ship. Self destructing it would be gross overkill.

Regards,

Shian Yang

P.S. That means I think you are looking at a small problem regarding tanking and surviving that miners seem to ignore at will that has been discussed at length and you're suggesting solving it by removing Mining. Overkill.
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-27 22:49:04 UTC
I mine, because I like mining. And what I like isn't dependent on something else being easier, more profitable or less risky. That's a personal opinion why it would make sense to not get rid of mining - some people might like it.

Basically I don't see a need to remove that profession or any other profession within EVE. The more professions the more variety the bigger the sandbox.

Third, how would you removing mining? Remove the mining skill and the whole skill groups? Take away the whole branch of well designed ORE vessels?

I think there are more serious questions out there - like why-my-Tristan-doesn't-even-remotely-look-like-my-Nemesis,-while-my-Punisher-still-looks-like-my-Avenger...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#19 - 2012-05-28 00:02:51 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
I do not want to see this, but since the outcry of hulkaggedon(however you spell it), and the response of players.

Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible.


If they removed mining they'd remove the only stuff left in game that:

- may be killed by the terribles who really believe they are PvPing and that an Hulk killmail is as good for a killboard as is having a carrier kill.

- populates the forums. Apart from the current UI threads, the forums would be dead without miners crying and "PvPers" gloating over them.

- populate hi sec. Without miners dying, all that would happen would be some suicide ganking at Uedama / Sivala etc. and some booooooring POS bashing.


Basically EvE is so flat and boring that without some muppets to kill and pretend something is still going on, then people would realize all what's left to do is to go in 0.0...


... only to meet a NAP fest.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-05-28 00:10:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
This got asked after the very first hulkageddon all those years ago and miners are still with us. I guess they must play a roll.


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