Science & Industry

For the record - I have one alt, but he's ever been on these forums and probably never will since his account runs out in two days. Since the accusation has been voiced it makes me see you folks for the sham you are. I am simply an old man pissed of that a problem has existed in a game for many years and nothing has been done to address it. I'm certainly not going to get all upset over a game I'm not going to continue playing while there are such persistent balance issues though, even if the inhabitants of these fora think it fine to pay to win.

I freely admit that I'm no expert of Eve's industry, but if I perceive that the game is unbalanced to the point where I don't want to renew my subscription because of T2BPOs - whether my perception about the problem is true or not, I can easily envisage other young players feeling the same.

That's three insults in three posts; I'm honoured you'd go to such lengths to offend a noob. Aside from the insult, what point are you trying to make here?

And we simply tried to explain to you that there is no real significant problem, just a minor issue PERCEIVED as a problem, mainly by people with insufficient personal experience.
People who actively work in invention seldom have a problem with it, and people with a thorough understanding of the economy of EVE also seldom have a problem with it.


Your perception is not true, but let's say that, indeed, others might have the same misperception, and one could conceivably see how lack of knowledge could easily make people have the same erroneous belief.
The problem here seems to be that you are unwilling to alter your perception even in face of sufficiently clear evidence.
Or do you think the evidence is not clear enough yet ?

The percentage of people that really dabble in manufacture in EVE is usually in the low single digits.
Out of those plus some others that think about it but don't engage, very few are really annoyed enough by the self-misperceived T2 BPO issue to constitute enough reason to quit, or significantly alter quit percentages just because of it.
If you really and genuinely believe that your friends left mainly because of T2 BPOs, they are a highly unlucky minority that REALLY do that just because of that one reason.

Removing T2 BPOs altogether could potentially affect a lot more people negatively (that would be much more likely to have this be "the last straw" and quit) than people that would remain around just due to the fact T2 BPOs no longer exist.

And anyway, CCP *is* doing something about it.
Have been, repeatedly, even.
They could stand to advertise it better for being what it will achieve, but, eh, the fact they don't even do THAT should tell you enough about how many people really quit giving "I hate T2 BPOs" as a reason.

They did something huge about it when they introduced invention. Profits of T2 BPOs were cut by one order of magnitude on average even with the crappy initial invention rollout.
They did something big about it when they buffed invention the first time, shortly after its introduction. The changes to datacore harvesting prices have further reduced T2 BPO profits.
They also did something significant about it when they changed decryptors for the first time, moving them from static sites to exploration, and rebalancing their bonuses. T2 BPO profits have fallen even further because of that.
And they did something noteworthy about it even this last patch, two noteworthy things actually - they added a new method of obtaining datacores (which will most likely lead to cheaper datacore prices overall in the long run, and much cheaper mecheng datacores which are very important for most of the high-ISK-volume invention jobs) and they buffed decryptor effects (ok, they call it fixing a bug, but the end effect is the same, it was a noticeable buff). T2 BPO profits are likely to soon fall even further.
And they're soon going to do something else about it too, with the introduction of alternative ways to extract more moongoo than the current upper-capped amounts, which would make moongoos cheaper (in particular the bottleneck ones), which would reduce the profitability of T2 BPOs even more.

So don't say they're doing nothing about it, because they certainly have, are and will be doing something.
Ok, it might not be what you CLAIM you want, and you want that because you can't or don't want to see the entire big picture, but that's a different story, and not their failing.


P.S. You already completely ignored 2 of my direct replies. This would be the 3rd one.

if that is the approach to address the concerns that vast majority of players have towards the bpos seeding... if that is the argument supporting the "its fair"side... nothing more to say and i'd rest my case...

and while we step the path of the police department (half spoken words, that is), best answer (similar approach) to your above iquiry... IF that would be the case, would your "Internal Affairs" (be able to) provide imunity?


not at all... i am suggesting, actually i am SAYING loud and clear, that the only suporters of the "bpos should stay" ideea are the bpos owners... which i find to be normal and understand'able... and even if they are indeed a minority, i'm absolutely positive that any further solution should consider their interes aswell, despite some, more or less justified grudge - envy is a common sin and some may say sense of (too much) fairness is too...
ofc exceptions are possible, you for example who declare you dont own a bpo...



agree, agree and agree... altho those may be aswell arguments for their removal... upon, a lets say equitable, solution... i'm sure game-features-design-team could easily come up with a nice result within a mere 1/2 hour if there would be a real interess to solve it... thats why the "?" marks keep rising with every new VU that doesnt address the issue...


how about just for shuting down all those voices who keep reviving the dead horse?
dont try to foul yourself (or others): the simple fact that voices "against" are rather not as many and not as lowd like the "pro" ones doesnt prove they do not exist in overwgealming number... it only proves that bpo owners, given their interes, are way more acrive and vocal on forums... if a vote or a poll would ever be organized* covering the active playerbase, we would learn that 90-95% are for the bpos removal... this would be a good enough reason?
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* i wonder what was / is / would be ccp's policy about organizing one? (maybe an official one would be the best option)

yes, you can send an evemail to evesecurity@cc... or something like that if you think a petition is not save enough. I would be supprised if you would know anything that they dont, but there is your address...


amazing... so you dont want to hear opinions of rather neutral/objective ppl because of? and your opinion is more valuable because ur against them,because??? explain please.


No you dont get it, they dont think there is an issue to solve, all their latest comments on that topic on twitter are like "the impact of T2 BPO`s is overestimated" or that they are just fine with it as it is. If they would think there is an issue they would have done anything against it in the last 8 years where T2 bpo´s exist, dont you think?



what kind of an argument is that? you simply dont have any numbers you can base this on. 100% speculation and absolutly pointless.

Ok, then these italics will suggest you might be a Brewlar Kuvakei alt. If you're gonna continue trying to poison the well, I'll join right in. Soon we'll just be flinging poop (which is fine by me, I eat a high fiber diet).



Interest != Problem. Our Hero Turbefield posted stats showing that popular ships and mods are dominated by invention and unpopular ones are provided by BPOs.



I meant that CCP considers polls that it sends out to be Spam and thus doesn't do it.

There is no mystery to solve since there isn't an actual problem. The people who are whining now will simply pick a new topic to whine about.

1) I only did that after he accused me of lying.
2) Quite a few of your alts have the same arguments in the same writing style with similarly bad grammar/spelling as you.

so cool.

b2 off-topic:
I only picked 3 examples...Marrco Polio, Daxine Myth, sitar seaton

ALL of them had the very first post ITT or posting a hate post against T2 BPO`s and never posted again since then. All posts had the same aggresive/ignorant style similar to yours...

Also wat is this?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2718170

So because you didnt get the right response in this forum, your created a new acount on steam to tell everyone on other forums to not play eve because of the mean T2 BPO owners? what a smart move of you...

Whoopsie.




Whoopsie number 2.


As for the ESL thing, don't worry about it. You're better than a lot of native speakers around here. My point was that there are several posters who appear suspiciously like Brewlar Kuvekai in mannerism and pattern who are recent creations and have only posted about T2 BPOs.


Start a Poll in the proper forum, i.e. Jita Park Speakers, home of the CSM. Or contact the CSM delegates directly.

Whoopsie. & Whoopsie number 2:

i have revised my words carefully and havent saw anything really "over the bridge"... pls notice i've never said i'm not going to (decently) argue for my belifs, neither that my tongue is made of wood...
its possible ofc we may have different measurements for "mean and unpolite"... and for "argue" aswell

again: my "italics" were more like pointing the fact that it might be possible... and nothing like (or close to) a shty direct and personal attack in "shutup you lying bietch" style...


i will take your advice ofc... that if noone would do that before me - for example ppl with far more aggresive attitude... lol