EVE General Discussion

A fair point.

I don't read the news.

This is one of my first forum posts in years.

I have not seen it in local or I would have known.

My corp is not in an alliance.

I am not in an NPC corp.

Remember, casual gamer, no EVE radio.

Nope, that's an assumption you're making. I don't bring peoples' real-life activities into in-game discussions. You chose to do so yourself, and got ridiculed for it.

As far as casual gamers go, I don't for one second believe that their existence justifies the destruction of a unique product on the MMO market. Can you honestly name another game that allows this level of ruthlessness? So, if you want a nice, relaxing, safe environment, you have other choices. For those of us who like EVE the way it currently is (or to some extent, the way it was before it was somewhat "casualized" for players like yourself), this is the only option. We have nowhere else to go, aside from maybe, in your opinion, psychiatric institutions.


And I'm playing the game the way I want, which focuses entirely on destroying other players.

When you started playing this game, you explicitly agreed that all of the possessions within the game are not your property, that they are the property of CCP, and are subject to whatever rules CCP wants to enforce in regard to their usage. These rules, as set by CCP, allow the destruction of these assets by other players at their own discretion, and place the responsibility of asset defense solely on yourself.

I am sure a successful businessman such as yourself reads EULAs before signing service contracts, right?

The OP is correct in every respect. The only people who'd dispute that are the systematic violators. They of course will post to this thread couching their responses in "objectivity" as well as "inside knowledge of the game" and "veterans who understand Eve is a 'cold, harsh environment - so stop whining'." Along with that, as can be seen, are the accusations you're just not fitting your ship right.

What is absent is the admission that null and low sec, where this "play style" is intended to occur are empty enough - or being held in a state of stasis by the occupants - giving rise to a claim that high sec should be turned into low or null so there's an excuse for griefing - it's just normal play. The intent of CCP in going to the extreme to carefully define griefing, the fact CSM members (one forcibly retired of late) are FRIENDS of certain CCP upper ups and are literally being catered to, and the resultant inaction on CCP's part (pretending to hide behind the fact that there are "sore losers in life as in EVE"), not only exacerbates the situation, but puts CCP's seal of approval on it. This is up to and including sanctioning by placing the events in the MOTD as "player generated content."

I've on many occassions pointed out how with the NPC sovereignty allusions the game is an object of ridicule, as these mighty virtual kingdoms are powerless to control debilitating crime in their most "safe" regions, along with the absurdity of sovereign powers renting out their security to Rent-A-Cops that use a narrowly drawn set of response parameters - which amount to "Don't make us do anything. We were just enjoying our donuts." I've advocated for criminal flags with NO time limit, and acknowledgement of the fact that allowing criminals to dock in this NPC's sovereign domain anywhere is collusion and accessory after the fact, which makes the owners of said stations criminals as well. Such is the analog reality. Without that exercise in power, any definition of sovereignty becomes a joke.

In the face of such observations of fact, CCP has ignored it all, leaving me to believe they have little to no understanding of such matters. The fact they specialize in computer programming, and not in game design and especially not in the field of politics, law and concepts such as sovereignty is proved by their ineptitude in the matter the OP defines so sharply and so well. Judging by the videos from the recent Fanfest, it is more than evident their behavior is so adolescent in the extreme, it beggars belief to think they could rise to the occassion and bring themselves to understand the social, cultural and so state dynamics about which the OP remarks, and which I've pointed out on several occassions.

I guess we should be gratified they did bring in a phd in economics at one time, admitting they were in over their heads in matters such as these. I'm convinced they're so ill-educated, and incompetent in affairs of state as a dynamic that observations such that we make here go over their heads as well. (The bottle of Jaeger on the table in the videos doesn't offer much encouragement.)

I hasten to add I'm more than suspicious CCP is now using EVE as a cash cow and has no intention in examining its model for this particular set of absurdities and so finding a solution, as now their attention is fully on SONY and Dust. I fully expect at some point in the future EVE's development will become tokenistic and then non-existent - relegated to legacy.

So...there you go. They've turned the asylum over to the inmates who're convinced they're the true doctors of EVE. And, they think they're smart in doing so. Worse mistakes have been made. They'll walk away with the satisfaction that "There once was this game called EVE Online...and WE invented it." May their grandchildren be pleased to hear this bedtime story. And, let's try not to forget the rigged tournament last year...there's another tourney this year!
I wonder who's been designated to win this time?

Yes, he now understands the need to whine on the EVEO forums.

First, the KB is not the EULA nor is it the TOS. Second, you should read the next paragraph:


The TOS gives specific examples of what it means by that quote, to wit:


Same goes for the other quote:
See how it's discussing server issues, not PvP interaction.

You still haven't found the word Grief or any variation of that word in the EULA/TOS. The knowledge base is not the rules of the game.

High sec ganking has been viable from day 1, and in certain times you could even tank concord. This is once again another carebear spew from serene about how CCP do nothing and that they've handed the game to griefers

The plea for rationale you should have been asking is how to fit a hulk under the assumption given from day 1 where nowhere in eve is safe. Coupled with the fact that they managed to get your pod any person paying attention to there computer should have been able to get out.

ok so, a lot of you are giving the OP flak for voicing his opinion and i think its just because you don't understand what he's saying. so, let me translate his "successful businessman who DOES NOT live in his mother's basement" argument into layman's terms:

"yes, this game has been running for 9yrs running on a platform of bringing its players maybe THE most immersive total sandbox where they[the players] are given the freedom to be anything from industrialists to pirates and have complete control to shape the in-game world. And yes, it has done pretty damn well in an over-saturated market with this platform of complete player control even with a steep learning curve and its wickedly delicious, harsly brutal gameplay. BUT today I fell victim to this harsh reality so it all needs to change NOW!!!

sure this could have all been avoided had i taken the few minutes required to take the necessary precautions to protect myself, my investment, and my ship like, idk, fitting a basic goddamn tank on my moderately expensive mining ship before i took her out of the station while an event that combined the name of said ship and the word 'Armageddon' but HEY, i'm a successful businessman and DON'T live in my mother's basement like the rest of you! i don't have time for all this googling of gameplay mechanics and seriously, when has armageddon ever been used to denote anything but sunshine and lollipops.

in conclusion, change this game CCP because its MY money that allows you to keep it running. i'll be awaiting your reply and the reimbursement of the isk for my ship and adequate pain and suffering compensation. do not make me "buddy program" my lawyer into this."

see...makes perfect sense...

>.>

Just FYI, GSF and OTEC stands to make on the order of 200m worth of Tech sales on each and every Hulk purchased. Assuming more than 5% of ganked Hulk pilots buy a new Hulk, GSF makes money off the gank after paying out 10m.

Feel free to petition and whine all you want. You should be embarrassed when you find out that CCP supports hulkageddon and these types of shenanigans but you'll probably just emo quit instead of acting like a rational person.

This just shows another good thing about hulkageddon, it tells players in a dramatic way what EVE-Online is all about in case they missed it and thought EVE was WoW in space.

Oh and why didn't you warp out your pod? It takes a catalyst about 3 seconds to lock a pod and about .25 seconds for a pod to warp out. The only reason you get podded is because you don't pay attention or are botting.

All in all, most "rational" people take a loss as a natural part of playing a video game, they don't throw a tantrum on the forums like a 4 year old child when something doesn't go their way. You may be old and have a job but you still haven't grown up or matured.

I too want a change to the rules so it's easier for me to win at something. Whenever I get the time I'll find the bits and pieces of the EULA that support my views and make another thread to help our douche bag cause.