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A Plea for Rationale in the System of Natural Consequences

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Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#21 - 2012-05-27 21:56:16 UTC
Why didn't you tank your Hulk.

WHY?
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#22 - 2012-05-27 21:56:20 UTC
ask CCP Phantom, as he/she told me, "there is no room for fuzziness in TOS or EULA" Since he/she should be a beacon of enlightenment, lets see if we get a response.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#23 - 2012-05-27 21:59:05 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
ask CCP Phantom, as he/she told me, "there is no room for fuzziness in TOS or EULA" Since he/she should be a beacon of enlightenment, lets see if we get a response.


HTFU

The Tears Must Flow

Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-05-27 22:06:17 UTC
0/10 not even remotely convincing

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-05-27 22:09:35 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
You are investing time into something you don't really understand, Mr. Successful Real-Life Businessman Married With Children.

You see, this is a video game that focuses on conflict, scamming, violence, murder, and sociopathy. This is not a family-friendly pastime created for the enjoyment and benefit of working family men to unwind after a hard day of shaking hands and having power lunches.

Dangit, i can't bold and underline that sentence more.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#26 - 2012-05-27 22:10:43 UTC
Wow! That hurt OP.

No mid slot shield help? You had a head full of shield implants and not even an Invul field or extender?

But I do agree it's a sad commentary on the state of this game that CCP thinks suicide ganking is a viable form of PvP.

It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-05-27 22:12:31 UTC
npc corp highsec miners are literally giving you valid fitting advice
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#28 - 2012-05-27 22:12:36 UTC
I've got a solution for ya, Mr Solution Architect, try learning what the game is about, grow some balls and teeth and maybe you won't be such an easy target.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2012-05-27 22:15:46 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Oddball Six wrote:
My identity is defined as a father, a husband, and a businessman.
No, your identity is defined as a "highsec miner" and a "carebear."

Proposal

  • EVE players continue to destroy your ships and pod you at every opportunity.

I eagerly await your considered response.

Only you need to agree if it's about ganking.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#30 - 2012-05-27 22:19:03 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:

It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it.


Find the word Grief or Griefing or any variation in the EULA/TOS/Code of Conduct.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2012-05-27 22:26:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:

It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it.


Find the word Grief or Griefing or any variation in the EULA/TOS/Code of Conduct.

Basically, the people that decide such things don't agree with you.

So they're wrong.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2012-05-27 22:28:45 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Wow! That hurt OP.

No mid slot shield help? You had a head full of shield implants and not even an Invul field or extender?

But I do agree it's a sad commentary on the state of this game that CCP thinks suicide ganking is a viable form of PvP.

It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it.


You do realise that ganking untanked hulks can be done for profit right? And that it has been done for near enough a decade now.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#33 - 2012-05-27 22:30:52 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it.


Well it's CCP that provides access to the game and makes the rules and they say you sir are incorrect.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#34 - 2012-05-27 22:35:46 UTC
I guess you could call a few dropped mods profit, true.

I think the OP's point about this mass group gank-a-thon is that he feel's it IS against CCP's own stated policies.

Did you all read his post or just go straight to the KM's?

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

Oddball Six
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-05-27 22:40:29 UTC
Quote:
I have no KM to go on so I will assume you failed to tank your ship while mining when a very well known event was going on.


Well known if you keep track of such things, perhaps.
I am a casual gamer with disposable income. Believe it or not, the largest segment of MMO revenue is from just such gamers.

I don't read EVE news. I don't follow the EVE forum.

The first I head of hulkageddon was AFTER I was killed today. And then my reaction went from "oh well" to "why the heck doesn't CCP realize the impact of their inaction". Hence the post.

Quote:
Year on year EVE has grown and in all that time miners have died.


Yet every month a greater risk is incurred as to the age of the game and the resonance within the eventual total revenue opportunity. You can only market your growth to a certain point. Instead, CCP has been far more successful with a combination of marketing and innovation.

Those can be expensive avenues, particularly if you choose to aggravate your existing paying customers through ignoring something like this.

You guys like new developments in the game? They have to be paid for. Superfan subscriptions alone are insufficient to sustain the resources that go into engineering on multiple continents.

Quote:
You are investing time into something you don't really understand, Mr. Successful Real-Life Businessman Married With Children.


Had I not given the background, you would be accusing me of living on the game and/or in my parent basement. I prefer being attacked for my success.

Further, you can afford to disparage the casual gamer segment and its thoughts. Its $15 a month to you. CCP cannot. Every tenth of a percent in subscriber turnover affects either future development funding or operating income. Eventually that becomes jobs.

Quote:
You see, this is a video game that focuses on conflict, scamming, violence, murder, and sociopathy. This is not a family-friendly pastime created for the enjoyment and benefit of working family men to unwind after a hard day of shaking hands and having power lunches.

Actually thats only one attitude about what it is. And even only one facet of how its advertised. Its also been advertised about being a universe where you can do anything. Make a career that you want. Play the game that you want.

Quote:
No, your identity is defined as a "highsec miner" and a "carebear."


Actually you miss the point. Casual gamers with disposable income is where the revenue comes from. They tend to be short lived subscriber base so they require marketing to keep the flow. Yet those who stick around are often the kind who will pay for upgrades in the form of PLEX, etc.

CCP knows this. Anyone with MMO development / engineering experience knows the segmentation of revenue. Realizing that there are subscribers whose revenue impact can be lost by ignoring such dynamics as Hulkageddon creates is a quick path to declining revenue.

Mr Stark
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
#36 - 2012-05-27 22:44:14 UTC
I am a drunk homeless tramp, I pimp women out to pay for my Eve addiction which I play at an internet cafe - You know what? This exact same thing happened to me.

Hooray for equality hey dude?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2012-05-27 22:45:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Wow! That hurt OP.

No mid slot shield help? You had a head full of shield implants and not even an Invul field or extender?

But I do agree it's a sad commentary on the state of this game that CCP thinks suicide ganking is a viable form of PvP.

It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it.


You do realise that ganking untanked hulks can be done for profit right? And that it has been done for near enough a decade now.

It's like ratting.

Now we know how those rats feel. Or not "we" rather but "the miners that get ratted".

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2012-05-27 22:46:47 UTC
Oddball Six wrote:
Quote:
I have no KM to go on so I will assume you failed to tank your ship while mining when a very well known event was going on.


Well known if you keep track of such things, perhaps.
I am a casual gamer with disposable income. Believe it or not, the largest segment of MMO revenue is from just such gamers.

I don't read EVE news. I don't follow the EVE forum.

The first I head of hulkageddon was AFTER I was killed today. And then my reaction went from "oh well" to "why the heck doesn't CCP realize the impact of their inaction". Hence the post.



I work 72 hours a week so tell me more about being a casual gamer. This was advertised in the news, all over the forums, in just about every local, in most alliances and in all the NPC corps and on EVE radio. You really must ask yourself why you are not interacting with the community on even the most basic level. This was entirely your fault.
Oddball Six
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-05-27 22:47:05 UTC
Quote:
1.9 bil implants plugged in head, prefers to leave midslots empty rather then fit tanking modules because 'don't have to cuz pvp is optional right?'


Exactly.

I built the fit when i was in a corp with air cover for mining operations. I didnt modify the fit because in the handful of years since I never needed to and was not seriously threatened in high sec. Organized initiatives to violate the gameplay elements of high-sec excepted, of course.

Quote:
OP left out the part about his asian kickboxing girlfriend.


Because I don't have or want one. The wife I have and the child we have together is more than sufficient for me. Make fun if you like. Many wish for as much as I have. I recognize the blessings I have and its important to understand where the perspective is coming from.

Quote:
Kaeda Maxwell, nice gank :)


If it were in low sec, I would have to agree with you. I have previously lost a freighter because I took a short cut through .3 space. That was my fault. I made a decision to do something stupid. When you allow people to organize a competition of violating the guidelines established to setup an entire sector of gameplay that is a different matter altogether.

Quote:
No mid slot shield help? You had a head full of shield implants and not even an Invul field or extender?


True but in the end it would not have mattered, I don't think. I also didn't align to a starbase or anything which I probably should have done as well. I learned several lessons from this. I also started to think about just killing off the multiple accounts I have. Something that others appear to have done before me. At a certain point when an executive asks "why did we lose 2% of our playerbase that we were unable to recover through marketing last month?" hopefully someone understands that inaction in the face of such events may be part of the answer.

Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-05-27 22:47:17 UTC
That man
Had 1.3b in shield tanking implants
While flying a hulk
With no tank in the midslots.

I'll gladly keep "breaking the EULA" if it means killing ***** like you.