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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2012-05-27 21:58:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Having lived through most of the history of 0.0 I can safely say that every single superpower in EVE has had the same thing said against them and all of them have fallen. Titans were nerfed because they were game breaking not because goons told CCP to do something.

If I had a dollar for every time I've told Jessie-A exactly that, I'd be a rich man. But since I'm "A Goon", I'm automatically lying.

Except I haven't lied about a single thing here. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#202 - 2012-05-27 22:04:06 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?


Was that what killed Bob? I'm pretty sure it was their disbanding, then the month long camp of their cap fleet in one single station that did that.


Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

So why didn't that happen?

Oh. Light bulb.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2012-05-27 22:05:31 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

Why? Using which logic?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#204 - 2012-05-27 22:08:15 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

So why didn't that happen?

Oh. Light bulb.


BoB was disbanded by a member of BoBs leadership. The result of months of infighting.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2012-05-27 22:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

Why? Using which logic?


The logic that one person couldn't really click their heels together and cause an empire to lose control of all its' territory?

It was clear abuse of a game bug.

I mean really, it's logically insane that one "traitor" could magically cause a nation to suddenly "not have sov" over itself. How? He has a really, really long talk with the local police in a few thousand systems and they all decide "they no longer answer to BoB"?

So they would "patch the bug"(which they really should have done anyway) and then regrant Sov.

In fact, they should have done this.

But wait, who was BoB fighting at the time?

Oh. Light bulb.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2012-05-27 22:10:03 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

Why? Using which logic?


The logic that one person couldn't really click their heels together and cause an empire to lose control of all its' territory?

I mean really, it's logically insane that one "traitor" could magically cause a nation to suddenly "not have sov" over itself. How? He has a really, really long talk with the local police in a few thousand systems and they all decide "they no longer answer to BoB"?

What?

Oh, I'm sorry, here I thought you were one of those who wanted EVE to be a dangerous place, with actual risk.

I guess you just wanted easier ganking after all.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#207 - 2012-05-27 22:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

Why? Using which logic?


The logic that one person couldn't really click their heels together and cause an empire to lose control of all its' territory?

I mean really, it's logically insane that one "traitor" could magically cause a nation to suddenly "not have sov" over itself. How? He has a really, really long talk with the local police in a few thousand systems and they all decide "they no longer answer to BoB"?

What?

Oh, I'm sorry, here I thought you were one of those who wanted EVE to be a dangerous place, with actual risk.

I guess you just wanted easier ganking after all.


I don't want the blatant abuse of a poor corporation interface to replace actual fights, no.

Of course, without such hacks, Goons wouldn't be doing so well, would they?

BoB's lost Sov through an exploit. Period.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#208 - 2012-05-27 22:11:14 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?


I am refering to BoB, the NC, TRI (the first one all the way to the fifth) ASCN, MC, Red Alliance, C02 ect ect. All of them were seen as invincible at some point and all of them collapsed.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2012-05-27 22:13:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?


I am refering to BoB, the NC, TRI (the first one all the way to the fifth) ASCN, MC, Red Alliance, C02 ect ect. All of them were seen as invincible at some point and all of them collapsed.


I could look up their history and see where they reformed under other names, but I have to eat.

Those reading can decide whether you are a trustworthy and believable person.

What I said for BoB still stands unanswered by the way.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#210 - 2012-05-27 22:14:15 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

Why? Using which logic?


The logic that one person couldn't really click their heels together and cause an empire to lose control of all its' territory?

I mean really, it's logically insane that one "traitor" could magically cause a nation to suddenly "not have sov" over itself. How? He has a really, really long talk with the local police in a few thousand systems and they all decide "they no longer answer to BoB"?

What?

Oh, I'm sorry, here I thought you were one of those who wanted EVE to be a dangerous place, with actual risk.

I guess you just wanted easier ganking after all.


I don't want the blatant abuse of a poor corporation interface to replace actual fights, no.

Of course, without such hacks, Goons wouldn't be doing so well, would they?

BoB's lost Sov through an exploit. Period.


If a CEO can't delegate responsibility to "trusted" members, then what can he do? Would you like to have the decision to disband be done by committee?

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2012-05-27 22:14:30 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
I don't want the blatant abuse of a poor corporation interface to replace actual fights, no.

Of course, without such hacks, Goons wouldn't be doing so well, would they?

Don't worry, BOB were being defeated at the time anyways. As was mentioned earlier, sirmolle made a tactical error and got locked into PR- for a ... while, and in the meantime their entire space got razed to the ground.

But I guess "facts" are "lies" in your current sperg state. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#212 - 2012-05-27 22:14:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

So why didn't that happen?

Oh. Light bulb.


BoB was disbanded by a member of BoBs leadership. The result of months of infighting.

Their own person pushed the button. That's what's hilarious about it.

*push*

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#213 - 2012-05-27 22:14:41 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well, the disbanding could have been ruled illegal and they could have been regranted their territory. That would make even more sense than the Titan Nerf.

Why? Using which logic?


The logic that one person couldn't really click their heels together and cause an empire to lose control of all its' territory?

It was clear abuse of a game bug.

I mean really, it's logically insane that one "traitor" could magically cause a nation to suddenly "not have sov" over itself. How? He has a really, really long talk with the local police in a few thousand systems and they all decide "they no longer answer to BoB"?

So they would "patch the bug"(which they really should have done anyway) and then regrant Sov.

In fact, they should have done this.

But wait, who was BoB fighting at the time?

Oh. Light bulb.


They were also fighting Phalanx Alliance in venal at the time. It was us, we made BoB implode and it had nothing at all to do with BoBs own leadership fighting an internal war.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2012-05-27 22:16:16 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


I could look up their history and see where they reformed under other names, but I have to eat.

Those reading can decide whether you are a trustworthy and believable person.

What I said for BoB still stands unanswered by the way.


I know where most of them went and reformed into. It still doesn't alter the fact their empires crumbled.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#215 - 2012-05-27 22:16:38 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?


I am refering to BoB, the NC, TRI (the first one all the way to the fifth) ASCN, MC, Red Alliance, C02 ect ect. All of them were seen as invincible at some point and all of them collapsed.


I could look up their history and see where they reformed under other names, but I have to eat.

Those reading can decide whether you are a trustworthy and believable person.

What I said for BoB still stands unanswered by the way.


By your logic one could say that BoB's downfall was guaranteed by their joining EVE.

It's technically true, but really is beside the point. Bob lost sov over because of the disband, but then they retook sov almost immediately after under Kenzoku. They actually lost their space because of the huge blunder by the capital fleet resulting in the month-long hellcamp of PR-.

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2012-05-27 22:17:44 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:

If a CEO can't delegate responsibility to "trusted" members, then what can he do? Would you like to have the decision to disband be done by committee?


Are you suggesting that CEO's actually want "trusted" members to have the right to unilaterally disband their corporation and alliances?

Or is it the poor interface that requires this?

And yeah, I'm sure that CEO's would take "a vote required to disband corporation/alliance" than having to give every single "trusted" person that right.

It is a clear exploit of poor user interface.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2012-05-27 22:19:25 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?


I am refering to BoB, the NC, TRI (the first one all the way to the fifth) ASCN, MC, Red Alliance, C02 ect ect. All of them were seen as invincible at some point and all of them collapsed.


I could look up their history and see where they reformed under other names, but I have to eat.

Those reading can decide whether you are a trustworthy and believable person.

What I said for BoB still stands unanswered by the way.


By your logic one could say that BoB's downfall was guaranteed by their joining EVE.

It's technically true, but really is beside the point. Bob lost sov over because of the disband, but then they retook sov almost immediately after under Kenzoku. They actually lost their space because of the huge blunder by the capital fleet resulting in the month-long hellcamp of PR-.


There downfall was guaranteed by their CCP friends being fired/demoted/outed.

Else the exploit would have been rolled back.

In fact, it should have been rolled back anyway.

Why wasn't it?

Who was BoB fighting at the time?

Oh. Light bulb.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#218 - 2012-05-27 22:20:50 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:

If a CEO can't delegate responsibility to "trusted" members, then what can he do? Would you like to have the decision to disband be done by committee?


Are you suggesting that CEO's actually want "trusted" members to have the right to unilaterally disband their corporation and alliances?

Or is it the poor interface that requires this?

And yeah, I'm sure that CEO's would take "a vote required to disband corporation/alliance" than having to give every single "trusted" person that right.

It is a clear exploit of poor user interface.


A poor interface is not an "exploit". CCP ruled that there hadn't been any violations of the EULA or TOS. Also, you are ignoring what i said about the PR- camp. That is what really lost BoB their space.

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#219 - 2012-05-27 22:21:16 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


There downfall was guaranteed by their CCP friends being fired/demoted/outed.

Else the exploit would have been rolled back.

In fact, it should have been rolled back anyway.

Why wasn't it?

Who was BoB fighting at the time?

Oh. Light bulb.


What exploit?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2012-05-27 22:21:48 UTC
You know, I'm starting to think someone's made Jesse-A mad.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat