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Moon mineing (O-Tec) needs a "balance"
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2012-05-27 21:33:47 UTC
Caecilia Arene wrote:
sweetrock wrote:
Caecilia Arene wrote:
I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else.

How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day Roll.



The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented...

Yes and no. It's easier to identify the issue but a lot harder to come up with a viable alternative to something which has been in the game and thus the economy forever.

Push too hard and we may all end up with a half arsed solution which doesn't help anyone Blink.


You mean like what they did to Incursions and Data Cores?

Let me propose a simple solution that could be implemented TOMORROW and would be no worse than the current mess.

Randomly distribute tech moons across all of Player Controlled Null Sec. Each system has an equal chance of having a tech moon if it has moons.

There. Done.

Oh boy, that was SOOOOOOO hard. And you know what? After spending the ten or less man hours to implement it, I don't think CCP could change it again. I mean, it would be like set in stone. Or something.

Or not.
Tallon Sylph
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#182 - 2012-05-27 21:34:14 UTC
Wow you're pretty mad about us winning EVE and being ridiculously space rich aren't you.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#183 - 2012-05-27 21:35:24 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

Are you worried your unearned wealth will be taken away?

You claim you fought hard for it, but did you really? And was that fight REALLY risky enough to justify your reward?

I say that you DID NOT earn that much wealth, and it should be removed TODAY.

About 1/4 your current tech moon income would be fair, I think.

Risk/Reward baby, Risk/Reward.


Since it's unearned and not REALLY risky enough to justify the reward, what about you go there and take it?

I mean, you pictured a walk in the park, it should not be hard, shouldn't it?


The first step to that is me receiving the few trillion in unearned ISK you received from the moons.

When Goons took the moons, the piled up wealth did not exist. Because the tech moons had only just been created, and tech wasn't nearly as expensive. Even Goons can't take moons from established players without CCP nerfing Titans for them.

I know, I know, you play dumb and I don't call you on it.

Oh, and un-nerf titans and then you can re-fight that Alliance you took the moons from.


Who is calling for the un-nerfing of titans, except for the people who have been whining about the nerf since it was announced?

Also, who has been calling for the nerfing of the tech moon bottleneck since before it started?

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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2012-05-27 21:35:29 UTC
Tallon Sylph wrote:
Wow you're pretty mad about us winning EVE and being ridiculously space rich aren't you.



We are what we are.

I get mad.

Goons lie about everything.

People are who they are.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#185 - 2012-05-27 21:37:28 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Caecilia Arene wrote:
sweetrock wrote:
Caecilia Arene wrote:
I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else.

How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day Roll.



The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented...

Yes and no. It's easier to identify the issue but a lot harder to come up with a viable alternative to something which has been in the game and thus the economy forever.

Push too hard and we may all end up with a half arsed solution which doesn't help anyone Blink.


You mean like what they did to Incursions and Data Cores?

Let me propose a simple solution that could be implemented TOMORROW and would be no worse than the current mess.

Randomly distribute tech moons across all of Player Controlled Null Sec. Each system has an equal chance of having a tech moon if it has moons.

There. Done.

Oh boy, that was SOOOOOOO hard. And you know what? After spending the ten or less man hours to implement it, I don't think CCP could change it again. I mean, it would be like set in stone. Or something.

Or not.


Did you know that when we lived in Delve we were rich in moon income? Then CCP rebalanced the moons and Delve wasn't worth it anymore. But we stayed there for a while until the whole "not paying bills" thing happened. Then we moved around a bunch, after a year or so we have ended up with even more moons than we know what to do with, besides ruin the T2 economy.

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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2012-05-27 21:37:43 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:


Who is calling for the un-nerfing of titans, except for the people who have been whining about the nerf since it was announced?

Also, who has been calling for the nerfing of the tech moon bottleneck since before it started?


I'm a little old to fall for the "I want to do something but I just can't" lie. So many people pull this and it is very boring at this point.

If Mittens wanted a REAL fix, he would propose an actual solution. That is, put forward a proposal on how to fix it.

But that would cause problems with denying responsibility(lying) while claming you want the problem fixed(more lying).

By the way, when are all Goons going to be banned for RMT?
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#187 - 2012-05-27 21:37:56 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Tallon Sylph wrote:
Wow you're pretty mad about us winning EVE and being ridiculously space rich aren't you.



We are what we are.

I get mad.

Goons lie about everything.

People are who they are.


Tell me a Goon lie, Jessie. Whisper it in my ear.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#188 - 2012-05-27 21:38:39 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

By the way, when are all Goons going to be banned for RMT?


Who is lying?

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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#189 - 2012-05-27 21:39:15 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Did you know that when we lived in Delve we were rich in moon income? Then CCP rebalanced the moons and Delve wasn't worth it anymore. But we stayed there for a while until the whole "not paying bills" thing happened. Then we moved around a bunch, after a year or so we have ended up with even more moons than we know what to do with, besides ruin the T2 economy.


Because they were all put in one place.

No way did that happen randomly either.

I also imagine they were placed in an area that would easily be taken over to.

How nice.
Tallon Sylph
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#190 - 2012-05-27 21:39:17 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

By the way, when are all Goons going to be banned for RMT?


The day you make a good post.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2012-05-27 21:40:27 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

By the way, when are all Goons going to be banned for RMT?


Who is lying?


Why don't you read my posts on this thread if you are so very curious.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#192 - 2012-05-27 21:42:16 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Did you know that when we lived in Delve we were rich in moon income? Then CCP rebalanced the moons and Delve wasn't worth it anymore. But we stayed there for a while until the whole "not paying bills" thing happened. Then we moved around a bunch, after a year or so we have ended up with even more moons than we know what to do with, besides ruin the T2 economy.


Because they were all put in one place.

No way did that happen randomly either.

I also imagine they were placed in an area that would easily be taken over to.

How nice.


Jesus Christ, you're really stuck on this aren't you? The nullsec political landscape changed SO MUCH between the moon change and when we created OTEC, how could anyone think that far ahead through so many unknown decisions made by so many other people?

Was it mind control? Are all nullsec players really just alts of Mittani?

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#193 - 2012-05-27 21:43:22 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

By the way, when are all Goons going to be banned for RMT?


Who is lying?


Why don't you read my posts on this thread if you are so very curious.


I have been reading your posts. It was a rhetorical question. It is obvious to EVERYBODY after reading your posts to see who is lying.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#194 - 2012-05-27 21:44:16 UTC
Tallon Sylph wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:

By the way, when are all Goons going to be banned for RMT?


The day you make a good post.


We cannot count on this to happen. We need a court order to declare incompetency in order to get this poor man the help he needs.

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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2012-05-27 21:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
Now where will 99% of the population go, to the newly formed alliance/corp who is going to offer them nothing or to the all shiney alliance/corp who has ship reimbursement, logistics, even free pvp ships.


This is a problem to be figured out. What did Goons do when they first joined eve? Built themselves up to where they are now, right? Making friends, learning how to play (badly). The CC didn't get to where it is today without making friends along the way. So why don't you do the same thing? Convince people in game (not here on the forums, because they don't care enough), that Goons are a threat to your very lives, and get them together and go do something about them. After all, when BoB said that the Goons weren't allowed to play eve, what did Goons do?


Here is where you are lying yourself, Goonie.

You claim to believe that when you took the Tech Moons...... when Tech was way cheaper and Titans were actually rare, is the same game as today.

The established wealth and established fleets defending the Tech Moons today are vastly, vastly larger than when you took the Tech Moons.

If Goonies of two years ago where thrown into the game of today they would never take the Tech Moons. AS YOU WELL KNOW.

The Goons of today can't even take Tech Moons from other major alliances without CCP nerfing Titans. As you well know.

So even the Goonies of today couldn't "grow" and "take some moons".... much less Goons without all the established wealth their tech moons gave them.

So that would be where you are lying honey.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-05-27 21:47:07 UTC
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when people like Jessie-A take the wrong pills when they get up in the morning.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#197 - 2012-05-27 21:51:21 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Here is where you are lying yourself, Goonie.

You claim to believe that when you took the Tech Moons...... when Tech was way cheaper and Titans were actually rare, is the same game as today.

The established wealth and established fleets defending the Tech Moons today are vastly, vastly larger than when you took the Tech Moons.

If Goonies of two years ago where thrown into the game of today they would never take the Tech Moons. AS YOU WELL KNOW.

The Goons of today can't even take Tech Moons from other major alliances without CCP nerfing Titans. As you well know.

So even the Goonies of today couldn't "grow" and "take some moons".... much less Goons without all the established wealth their tech moons gave them.

So that would be where you are lying honey.


Having lived through most of the history of 0.0 I can safely say that every single superpower in EVE has had the same thing said against them and all of them have fallen. Titans were nerfed because they were game breaking not because goons told CCP to do something.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#198 - 2012-05-27 21:53:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Here is where you are lying yourself, Goonie.

You claim to believe that when you took the Tech Moons...... when Tech was way cheaper and Titans were actually rare, is the same game as today.

The established wealth and established fleets defending the Tech Moons today are vastly, vastly larger than when you took the Tech Moons.

If Goonies of two years ago where thrown into the game of today they would never take the Tech Moons. AS YOU WELL KNOW.

The Goons of today can't even take Tech Moons from other major alliances without CCP nerfing Titans. As you well know.

So even the Goonies of today couldn't "grow" and "take some moons".... much less Goons without all the established wealth their tech moons gave them.

So that would be where you are lying honey.


Having lived through most of the history of 0.0 I can safely say that every single superpower in EVE has had the same thing said against them and all of them have fallen. Titans were nerfed because they were game breaking not because goons told CCP to do something.


That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#199 - 2012-05-27 21:56:16 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
Now where will 99% of the population go, to the newly formed alliance/corp who is going to offer them nothing or to the all shiney alliance/corp who has ship reimbursement, logistics, even free pvp ships.


This is a problem to be figured out. What did Goons do when they first joined eve? Built themselves up to where they are now, right? Making friends, learning how to play (badly). The CC didn't get to where it is today without making friends along the way. So why don't you do the same thing? Convince people in game (not here on the forums, because they don't care enough), that Goons are a threat to your very lives, and get them together and go do something about them. After all, when BoB said that the Goons weren't allowed to play eve, what did Goons do?


Here is where you are lying yourself, Goonie.

You claim to believe that when you took the Tech Moons...... when Tech was way cheaper and Titans were actually rare, is the same game as today.

The established wealth and established fleets defending the Tech Moons today are vastly, vastly larger than when you took the Tech Moons.

If Goonies of two years ago where thrown into the game of today they would never take the Tech Moons. AS YOU WELL KNOW.

The Goons of today can't even take Tech Moons from other major alliances without CCP nerfing Titans. As you well know.

So even the Goonies of today couldn't "grow" and "take some moons".... much less Goons without all the established wealth their tech moons gave them.

So that would be where you are lying honey.


Actually I don't know that. How do you know that? When we lost Delve we had our membership, we had our SP, and we had some ships. Not much else. And yet we still managed to band together and get to where we are today.

Of course there is no use trying to convince a person who can declare all facts to be lies.
I
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that.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#200 - 2012-05-27 21:57:20 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Here is where you are lying yourself, Goonie.

You claim to believe that when you took the Tech Moons...... when Tech was way cheaper and Titans were actually rare, is the same game as today.

The established wealth and established fleets defending the Tech Moons today are vastly, vastly larger than when you took the Tech Moons.

If Goonies of two years ago where thrown into the game of today they would never take the Tech Moons. AS YOU WELL KNOW.

The Goons of today can't even take Tech Moons from other major alliances without CCP nerfing Titans. As you well know.

So even the Goonies of today couldn't "grow" and "take some moons".... much less Goons without all the established wealth their tech moons gave them.

So that would be where you are lying honey.


Having lived through most of the history of 0.0 I can safely say that every single superpower in EVE has had the same thing said against them and all of them have fallen. Titans were nerfed because they were game breaking not because goons told CCP to do something.


That is another Goon lie.

Many current alliances are simply the old alliances renamed. If you are referring to BoB....

their help was fired from CCP. Are you suggesting that is what is required to get rid of Goons?


Was that what killed Bob? I'm pretty sure it was their disbanding, then the month long camp of their cap fleet in one single station that did that.

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