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Why is the CSM not saying anything?

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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
#81 - 2012-05-27 16:21:01 UTC
I have been quite vocal about it and have said many negative things about CCP to the point of damaging my relationship with them. The fact that they quite obviously dont care that they have made the game much more tedious for most of us is obvious. It doesnt seem to phase them that the system sucks and they are much more worried about their public image than the players well being.

I have asked for an optional system where we can CHOOSE if we want the new or old system and I doubt they will listen. They didnt seem to care before releasing the crap system that virtually everyone said it was crap, why should they listen now? They think we will "get used to it" and are oblivious to how much more difficult it is on the people who actually PLAY the game.

Hmmm
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-05-27 16:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Seleene wrote:
Happy to be wrong about CCP not working on a weekend. Today, on an Icelandic holiday Sunday no less, CCP Soundwave has released another dev blog:

This Week in the Unified Inventory

The money lines of this blog are:

"As a remedy, we’re going to try and provide you with weekly changes to it, until we get it into a state where you’re happy with it."

"Again, you guys have my deepest apologies for this situation. We’ll do whatever we can to rectify it. We're going to continue to take your valuable feedback and add it to the list of changes we want to make."

I don't think I've ever read anything by CCP where they publicly commit to weekly changes on a feature.

One thing I know is that CCP's management is not taking this lightly at all. On Friday night I spoke with CCP Unifex (Jon Lander), EVE's Senior Producer about this issue specifically. While I cannot detail the whole conversation, I can say that this is something which is getting a lot of attention internally at CCP and will be front and center in our discussions at the Summit this week.


From other topic:

"Again, you guys have my deepest apologies for this situation."

From devblog. This is lol and ridiculous.

We dont want apologies. We reported all problems from new UI.
Anyone listen from CCP our feedbacks ??? We created video etc. But we got the answer from developer.


Can read everyone:

""CCP Arrow wrote:
In the sessions the whole team observed the live feed and took notes on everything the participants did. We don't do User Tests because we don't believe you when you say there is a problem"



Who enabled this crap "Unfinished-Inventory" to put TQ ? Who is the responsibility for this ?
We hate this inventory. Unusable,it is a torture for players, a nightmare.

We dont want apologies, we dont want this UI. And we never asked this crap UI.

Do you know what we want ? We want Eve client without Unfinished Inventory. Put back to Sisi, fix it there. We are subscribers not alpha/beta testers. Beta testing is a job, and they get payments for test, but we paying for game and we want play, not testing crap unfinised works.Chop down this horrible Treepanel, we dont want Win 3.1 File Explorer in EVE.
We want a handly tools, what the old inventory was.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#83 - 2012-05-27 16:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleene
Ribikoka, I think everyone knows that you are mad but you are not going to get what you want. They are not going to revert it no matter how much you ***** about it. They will evolve what they have on a weekly basis. That is the commitment they have made. They made a big mistake. Now they have to fix it and they have said they are going to. You can WHY WHY WHY all you want, but this is still night and day different than what happened with Incarna where they actually tried to defend that bullshit for months on end.

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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2012-05-27 17:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Seleene wrote:
Ribikoka, I think everyone knows that you are mad but you are not going to get what you want. They are not going to revert it no matter how much you ***** about it. They will evolve what they have on a weekly basis. That is the commitment they have made. They made a big mistake. Now they have to fix it and they have said they are going to. You can WHY WHY WHY all you want, but this is still night and day different than what happened with Incarna where they actually tried to defend that bullshit for months on end.


Saying a CSM member who was voted to CSM with mandatory alliance letter.
A pet of CCP, who did nothing to arrest this CCP mistake just put his hand for free tickets for enjoying journey to Iceland.

Do you think an old MC video enough for CSM membership ? No, brown-noiser.
Do you think wont be happen nothing, but the MMO portals started to write from this fiasco again.
Players started to left the game, because you CSM guys dont save player's interests, and did nothing when free testers from Sisi reported the Unfinished Inventory feedbacks for everyone.

"different than what happened with Incarna"

Different than what happened with Incarna ? This is same, they didn't listen their playerbase and testers when they said "we tried on Sisi, but this is bad". Just you say on UI topic hurray this is our flawless,perfect UI without try. After 6 minutes when CCP created their devblogs from UI.

But this is worsen than Incarna, the players dont have choice, they must to use this crap inventory, they cant turning off the "Door" to Windows, because they dont have option for this.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#85 - 2012-05-27 17:54:42 UTC
Minimizing windows, and then shift-clicking on the ones I want does the trick. Close enough, but was really painful until somebody told me about the shift-click option.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#86 - 2012-05-27 17:54:54 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
Saying a CSM member who was voted to CSM with mandatory alliance letter.


PL's candidate was Elise Randolph, who also got booshed by RDN and NCDOT. No alliance mails got me onto the CSM. P

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cuculet
Bearing Srl.
#87 - 2012-05-27 18:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: cuculet
Seleene wrote:
Happy to be wrong about CCP not working on a weekend. Today, on an Icelandic holiday Sunday no less, CCP Soundwave has released another dev blog:

This Week in the Unified Inventory

The money lines of this blog are:

"As a remedy, we’re going to try and provide you with weekly changes to it, until we get it into a state where you’re happy with it."

"Again, you guys have my deepest apologies for this situation. We’ll do whatever we can to rectify it. We're going to continue to take your valuable feedback and add it to the list of changes we want to make."

I don't think I've ever read anything by CCP where they publicly commit to weekly changes on a feature.

One thing I know is that CCP's management is not taking this lightly at all. On Friday night I spoke with CCP Unifex (Jon Lander), EVE's Senior Producer about this issue specifically. While I cannot detail the whole conversation, I can say that this is something which is getting a lot of attention internally at CCP and will be front and center in our discussions at the Summit this week.



yea, i'm too working in a weekend, cose i'm writing on a forum, it's a hard work indeed...


and one more thing:
Quote:
" As a remedy, we’re going to try and provide you with weekly changes to it, until we get it into a state where you’re happy with it."

we all know that when CCP make a promise, they will keep it no matter what... like they did one hundred times before... oh wait!
like they did when the CEO of CCP sayd they won't ever bring content that we, players don't want;
yea, i'm sure they won't just patch 2-3 things till the player rage go down a bit and then forget about this problem for years, no, CCP won't do that ever...
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#88 - 2012-05-27 19:03:49 UTC
Well, we can agree on a couple things here:

- The unified inventory blows donkeys.
- People are going to continue raging about it until it is fixed.

Well, CCP said they're going to make weekly changes, and hey, look, the entire point of this thread has been achieved, as the CSM is actually updating us on **** that they are allowed to tell us (non-NDA information), and what's being done to fix our concerns.

I think we can chalk this one up as a win, and now see if the inventory gets un****ed.

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Liberty Belle
Yulai Heavy Industries
#89 - 2012-05-27 19:09:22 UTC
I'm only frustrated with the inventory lag.

Haven't found any other reason to rage.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-05-27 19:17:46 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Well, we can agree on a couple things here:

- The unified inventory blows donkeys.
- People are going to continue raging about it until it is fixed.

Well, CCP said they're going to make weekly changes, and hey, look, the entire point of this thread has been achieved, as the CSM is actually updating us on **** that they are allowed to tell us (non-NDA information), and what's being done to fix our concerns.

I think we can chalk this one up as a win, and now see if the inventory gets un****ed.



Hmmm,,, Public raging thread, got what it wanted. interesting.

Though, as a forum warrior, i do want to say that a thread like this four weeks ago, would have been much more useful. and part of the point of the continuation of this thread.

Public CSM support or condemnation of changes that are going to go live before they go live * are important.

* and after they are actually available to be tested rather then the UI thread which CSM posted before it was actually available to be tested.

I understand that you may have blogs, twitters and whatnot, but the lack of CSM posts on the official EVE forums is just.. what? you posted feeling about this everywhere but here? really?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-05-27 19:44:51 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Well, we can agree on a couple things here:

- The unified inventory blows donkeys.
- People are going to continue raging about it until it is fixed.

Well, CCP said they're going to make weekly changes, and hey, look, the entire point of this thread has been achieved, as the CSM is actually updating us on **** that they are allowed to tell us (non-NDA information), and what's being done to fix our concerns.

I think we can chalk this one up as a win, and now see if the inventory gets un****ed.



Hmmm,,, Public raging thread, got what it wanted. interesting.

Though, as a forum warrior, i do want to say that a thread like this four weeks ago, would have been much more useful. and part of the point of the continuation of this thread.

Public CSM support or condemnation of changes that are going to go live before they go live * are important.

* and after they are actually available to be tested rather then the UI thread which CSM posted before it was actually available to be tested.

I understand that you may have blogs, twitters and whatnot, but the lack of CSM posts on the official EVE forums is just.. what? you posted feeling about this everywhere but here? really?


This.... and getting tired of being forced to use their **** when I'm content to have the eve online forums themselves.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#92 - 2012-05-27 20:08:10 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
*Repeats themselves over and over*


Are you Tiger's alt? You have a very similar debating style. You just repeat yourself over and over without listening to anything anyone is saying. You look like some nut, randomly ranting.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#93 - 2012-05-27 21:25:24 UTC
Seleene wrote:


I fully appreciate that and, in hindsight, you're not wrong. I can only really explain my own feelings on this which is that because we're talking to CCP pretty much every day, we see that they aren't ignoring what's going on. The people directly responsible for this mess are, understandably, pretty stressed out. They should have paid more attention to the SiSi feedback before release but, at this point, they can't wave a magic wand and change things no matter how ~easy~ some self-appointed expert thinks it is. Smile
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they should try the wizard in Diablo 3 hes got a pretty nifty wand...

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TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-05-29 10:20:19 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Seleene wrote:


I fully appreciate that and, in hindsight, you're not wrong. I can only really explain my own feelings on this which is that because we're talking to CCP pretty much every day, we see that they aren't ignoring what's going on. The people directly responsible for this mess are, understandably, pretty stressed out. They should have paid more attention to the SiSi feedback before release but, at this point, they can't wave a magic wand and change things no matter how ~easy~ some self-appointed expert thinks it is. Smile
. Cool


they should try the wizard in Diablo 3 hes got a pretty nifty wand...



Or just remove those CSM members who had responsibility for this.