Crime & Punishment

Actually, self destructing your ship and getting the insurance payout is a pretty stupid idea, and it should be removed.

I would laugh my ass off if you ganked someone in high sec they would also bill the ganker the insurance payout they gave the ganked.

I've been sitting on the wrong gate :<

ganking haulers is pretty easy solo work, for ganking mission runners it usually takes a few more, threshold went up a bunch but I'm sure some still make themselves a target

Well. The CONCORD insurance nerf came along around the same time with the destroyer buff and the introduction of the tornado. So we have a good cheap dps ship in the catalyst and a good alpha ship in the tornado. But you are correct in that it is not a good idea anymore to t1 fit a BC or BS and just see what you can kill. Gotta go after high value targets. Tornado still king of suicide ganking outside of hulkageddon. Also, suicide ganking is quite rare outside of hulkageddon/goonananigans

Hmm we all know and love our insurance companies don't we?! They always come out on top of every transaction in RL!
So why not in EVE as well? If a toon gets say (subject to change) one payout in a month from a concorded ship then they pay 10% more to insure any other ships that month. If they get 2 concorded insurance payouts in that month then 20% more to insure any other ships that month, etc... Same can apply to self destruct insurance payouts. These toons are tracked and known by insurance companies as high risk. And we all know how insurance companies treat high risk toons! Any other ships that toon wants to insure that month has a risk premium attached to it. Payouts remain the same just the cost to insure goes up. How much can be any amount as CCP sees fit for the risk to the insurance corp.

Toons created and deleted just for ganking purposes would be an exploit. Created toons is fine, but deletion within the same month to avoid the insurance premium and to free up a spot to create a new toon for ganking would be the exploit.

Note: This only applies to insurance payouts. If you want to avoid the escalation of high risk premiums with your planed multiple gankings then do not insure your ganking ships. The choice is yours to make. Or same applies to self destruct.

It wasn't carebears that did it; it was the sheer ridiculousness of getting rewarded for blowing up your own ship. That's like deliberately driving your car into a crusher and then trying to claim it on your car insurance.

(Then again, suicide was once punishable by death, so I can't really comment. And no, I'm not kidding. Look it up.)

Traditionally suicide ganking isn't about profit, and worrying about financial loss isn't a big deal. Look at the killboards sometime, the majority are financial losses by a pretty good margin, it's a griefing and entertainment thing mostly. Some peeps dig it, some don't, to each his own. Since the majority of suicide gankers utilize destroyers or frigates outfitted for 2-10 mil depending on how serious of a target they are dealing with, it's not that big of a financial loss, so the insurance is a non factor. If it's too costly to bring a ganking BC or BS just get a few friends and bring a bunch of destroyers/frigs to accomplish the same goal.

Anytime I see people accuse CCP of trying to protect PVE'ers I laugh, this is probably one of the few MMO's in existence that has no PvP protection whatsoever (aside from sitting on a station). They've gone out of their way to make sure if you want someone dead, you can kill them no matter where they decide to play the game unless they decide they prefer the station life permanently.

I've played EVE off and on for years, tried to recruit friends to play over that time as well, and from talking to them, and to other players who tried EVE in other games, the #1 reason they didn't like it, or didn't stay: EVE forces PvP on it's player base. Me personally? I love PvP in most MMO's, not as much in EVE, because I love to have the option of when I PvP. Soon as I log into EVE and leave the station, I've entered a PvP arena. So I play for a few months, get burnt on the constant PvP environment, and take a break. I always seem to come back for another round of it though.

Trying to protect PvE'ers? Come on, if they'd do something as simple as adding a flagging option for high sec (if your flagged you leave yourself open to the current rules, if not you can't be touched outside of war decs), I guarantee you they'd see new players, because say what you will about PvE'ers or carebears, but they make up the majority of the online gaming community. CCP knows this, and still has never taken that simple step.

They're not stupid, they want a PvP based game, both sides need to accept it. Hardcore PvE'ers need to find another game, hardcore PvP'ers have found their game, and those that enjoy both aspects (like myself) can have fun for a while, but will probably burn out.