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Weasel Juice
Mayhem and Destruction
#1 - 2012-05-27 21:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Weasel Juice
Hello.


I'm curious about something. I had a discussion earlier today with other mates, arguing about the existence and legality of supercapitals in hisec.

While I'm perfectly aware that there are dreadnaughts and possibly carriers in hisec, that were constructed there but never moved out, and live now under severe restrictions (such as the Veldnaught).

However, people have claimed that Supercaps did exist in HiSec, based on the Nyx appearance in Jita.

That however seemed to have been a mistake, and a GM just recently stated that supercaps do not belong in hisec, as per:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1229603#post1229603

So some claimed, that it used to be different, but I find that hard to believe. The reasons for that is that there was never any way to get a supercap *into* HiSec, since they have to be constructed in a capital ship assembly array, which requires SOV for anchoring. I cannot conceive of any scenario how a supercap could get into hisec other than a bug or a mistake of a GM. Tthe only reason capitals in hisec were allowed to remain, is because they were constructed there (before the POS module required low/null security). However, that was never the case for Supercaps.


Any information on this? Was there ever any legally existing Supercap in HiSec? Which ones? What were the rules? Or were these guys simply talking out of their rear?

-- Weasel
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-27 21:12:26 UTC
Supercaps have accidentally been placed in highsec by GM's, but there are NO legal supercaps in highsec.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2012-05-27 21:13:05 UTC
There are no supercaps in high sec as they came about long after capitalsproductions was removed from high sec.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#4 - 2012-05-27 21:21:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
There are no supercaps in high sec as they came about long after capitalsproductions was removed from high sec.

There is a nyx in Jita, and possibly another super in Amarr IIRC? They're allowed to stay purely on the basis that they only come out for special events, they must not be used for intimidation or assistance of any kind in any conflict etc.

Hence why the Nyx logged on for burn Jita.

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Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-05-27 21:30:25 UTC
This was, (and perhaps still is) a legit way to get any ship into high sec.

If your account is inactive for a long period, and you were in space, at some point you get thrown into your clone station with whatever ship you happened to be in.
Weasel Juice
Mayhem and Destruction
#6 - 2012-05-27 23:09:06 UTC
Interesting. I wonder what exactly you mean with "legit".

Obviously it would be using the game mechanics. Though to bring a capital into hisec that way seems questionable, and I bet good money that if a GM found out, he would move it back where it came from. So in that case it would not really be legit, but within the game mechanics - though we all know that this would be against the rules. After all, avoiding CONCORD retribution even through game mechanical means is a petitionable offense.



@ Simi: Can you (or anyone else) source or confirm this special event?
Calisto Thellere
#7 - 2012-05-27 23:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Calisto Thellere
My ex CEO has a levi in high sec, i think its a levi, i recall him calling it a grandfather or something at the time. It's still in high sec as they were allowed to be when they first brought them into the game, or maybe it was an error on the devs part i dunno.

But anyways, he is allowed to keep it in high sec (along with quite a few others owned by other players too) but under very strict rules.

Cant undock it without CCP's knowledge and certainly cant use it for combat of any kind.

CCP are extremely strict about the rules and those that broke them, even very briefely got their ships removed from high.

In fact, im pretty sure somebody undocked their levi near a station about 10months ago, i recall a thread about it and all the screen grabs players took of the big grey beast.

Can somebody confirm that, if only to assure me im not going crazy and fabricating stuff from my imagination.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#8 - 2012-05-27 23:40:39 UTC
It was a Levi and Rens and that one was a GM one.

Also supers were never allowed in high sec as cynos were never allowed in high sec and gates never worked for caps and you never could build them in high sec so there is no such things as a grandfather super in high sec.

Rens Levi shortly before he jumped: http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/Xenoninja42/20110625181552.jpg

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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#9 - 2012-05-27 23:43:03 UTC
Yeah, it use to be a sandbox game.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#10 - 2012-05-27 23:46:17 UTC
There is also a stipulation that you cannot undock them while under a war declaration nor shall you put offensive modules on them. I know this from reading about the Veldnaught.

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gfldex
#11 - 2012-05-27 23:48:24 UTC
Weasel Juice wrote:

@ Simi: Can you (or anyone else) source or confirm this special event?


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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#12 - 2012-05-27 23:54:39 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
There are no supercaps in high sec as they came about long after capitalsproductions was removed from high sec.

There is a nyx in Jita, and possibly another super in Amarr IIRC? They're allowed to stay purely on the basis that they only come out for special events, they must not be used for intimidation or assistance of any kind in any conflict etc.

Hence why the Nyx logged on for burn Jita.


No, if it got there, it got there illegally.

Hence why a GM moved it out of Jita during burn jita Blink

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#13 - 2012-05-27 23:58:36 UTC
Calisto Thellere wrote:
My ex CEO has a levi in high sec, i think its a levi, i recall him calling it a grandfather or something at the time. It's still in high sec as they were allowed to be when they first brought them into the game, or maybe it was an error on the devs part i dunno.

But anyways, he is allowed to keep it in high sec (along with quite a few others owned by other players too) but under very strict rules.

Cant undock it without CCP's knowledge and certainly cant use it for combat of any kind.

CCP are extremely strict about the rules and those that broke them, even very briefely got their ships removed from high.

In fact, im pretty sure somebody undocked their levi near a station about 10months ago, i recall a thread about it and all the screen grabs players took of the big grey beast.

Can somebody confirm that, if only to assure me im not going crazy and fabricating stuff from my imagination.


You've been fed crap.

Mostly, because you can't dock the thing, so him claiming when he can and can't undock and redock is the giveaway Roll

And, that there are no legal supercaps in highsec. Even Chribba doesn't have one.

Highseccers like to make up tall tales.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-28 01:35:09 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
You've been fed crap.

Mostly, because you can't dock the thing, so him claiming when he can and can't undock and redock is the giveaway Roll

And, that there are no legal supercaps in highsec. Even Chribba doesn't have one.

Highseccers like to make up tall tales.

But I saw it with me own eye, by gumption!
Snow Burst
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-05-28 02:02:03 UTC
Weasel Juice wrote:
Hello.


I'm curious about something. I had a discussion earlier today with other mates, arguing about the existence and legality of supercapitals in hisec.

While I'm perfectly aware that there are dreadnaughts and possibly carriers in hisec, that were constructed there but never moved out, and live now under severe restrictions (such as the Veldnaught).

However, people have claimed that Supercaps did exist in HiSec, based on the Nyx appearance in Jita.

That however seemed to have been a mistake, and a GM just recently stated that supercaps do not belong in hisec, as per:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1229603#post1229603

So some claimed, that it used to be different, but I find that hard to believe. The reasons for that is that there was never any way to get a supercap *into* HiSec, since they have to be constructed in a capital ship assembly array, which requires SOV for anchoring. I cannot conceive of any scenario how a supercap could get into hisec other than a bug or a mistake of a GM. Tthe only reason capitals in hisec were allowed to remain, is because they were constructed there (before the POS module required low/null security). However, that was never the case for Supercaps.


Any information on this? Was there ever any legally existing Supercap in HiSec? Which ones? What were the rules? Or were these guys simply talking out of their rear?

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so you want a perma fleet of titans ganking jita then? thats basicly what your saying

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#16 - 2012-05-28 06:56:59 UTC
Also there are no legal carriers in 0.8 or above, as carriers could only be built in POS arrays, and POS has never been able to be anchored in a system above 0.7

The Jita Nyx was a GM misstake as mentioned earlier.

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wiskyjack
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#17 - 2012-05-28 07:35:11 UTC
There are some 20 ish dreads caps and super capes in high sec.

It goes back to when they were first introduced to eve. Ccp never thought that they would be made so fast by players and also never thought to lock them out of high sec.

They are allowed to undock but are not allowed to Buff rep or agro. It they do so they will be bounced to low sec by a dev. Not sure if the bounce is random

All player that have dreads caps and supers were told this by ccp and upon agreeing to these rules they can keep them in high sec.

Just look up titans in high sec, you have google, use it
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#18 - 2012-05-28 07:36:19 UTC
As mentioned by others in this thread, yes there have been supers in hisec.

However, they are not there legally. And in the cases I can recall, it has been due to a mistake by a GM while processing a ship reimbursement. This is why they are docked in stations where it would otherwise be impossible for them to exist in hisec.

Let alone be able to dock at all.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-28 08:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Well that is no fun.

Personnally I would love to move my super captial to high-sec.
It is not as if I can anything more then I am doing with it now.
At least with a dread or normal carrier you could mine.

I would open a petition in a heart beat if I actually thought it would have a chance to get moved Big smile

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#20 - 2012-05-28 08:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
wiskyjack wrote:
There are some 20 ish dreads caps and super capes in high sec.

It goes back to when they were first introduced to eve. Ccp never thought that they would be made so fast by players and also never thought to lock them out of high sec.

They are allowed to undock but are not allowed to Buff rep or agro. It they do so they will be bounced to low sec by a dev. Not sure if the bounce is random

All player that have dreads caps and supers were told this by ccp and upon agreeing to these rules they can keep them in high sec.

Just look up titans in high sec, you have google, use it


Funnily enough, if you google "titans in high sec" you get taken to the EVEopedia article about capitals in highsec. This article explains the mechanism by which there are CAPITALS in highsec, and even goes on to say if a GM finds a SC in highsec it will be removed.

Not sure how many times people can say this, there are no legal supercaps in highsec. There are no rules for them, other than "you can't have that there at all". If you have one there, it is by GM abuse/mistake and will be moved.

A few also got in when Incarna was released (through a glitch) but they were all taken out, and could never dock.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

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