Market Discussions

As my market alt gets more involved in trading I'm seeing more and more orders get changed 10 seconds after mine is to .01 cent above me. This has happened repeatedly on several orders (the same order jumps to .01 above mine). How do you deal with these people/bots? is the only option just dropping out of the market on that item?

They are sitting there going "WTF, this guy keeps changing his order just after mine" too

I have X orders I sell, and when being active, I just cycle through them, and if I am stuck because someone has 0.01ed me and I am on the timer, I keep an eye on it, and note when their timer runs out too.


EDIT: If you want to sell NOW! then you have to make sure your order is on top, if you are less worried about selling this instant, leave it be, it will sell anyway.

IT WILL SELL, Even if you have to wait six months (as I have)

If your nit winning on an item decide on your price point based on the market trends and move onto another item with less or no competition (they do exist!) Its not worth staying glued to the pc.

I've had similar issues over my career as a trader and understand your frustration. Bot or dedicated player, they both give me the *****...I can't tell the difference, all I can do is avoid them, be patient and play it half smart. If your short term turnover game ain't working go for long.

That's my 0.1 isk

Although it's highly probable to code a market bot (and I bet someone has done it already), there's also people like myself who protect their orders at certain times of the day aggressively and non-stop. If I trade for an hour, I can guarantee you no one will be at the top except for me. And if they get there, it will only be a matter of seconds while I place a new order on top of them. I will use all my available orders and/or ISK. (or the other way around, splitting your stock so u can have multiple sale orders).

I can imagine from a competitors perspective that they will think it's impossible for someone to beat them every time they update. Well, it's very possible with only 1 person as competitor, imagine if its 10 competitors outbidding each other for a good hour? You will get outbid almost instantly. I've always traded in Jita and to this day I've never gotten suspicious of someone using a bot.

Now, if you are in a backwater system with only 10 players and you still get outbid like Jita 23/7 no matter at what times by the same person; then there's a high probability they are using a bot. If you Google "EVE Online how to beat market bot" you will come up with plenty of threads about the subject and how to deal with it. Everything from reporting them, bringing them all the way down then buying their stock or just raising the buy order ridiculously high and dumping stock in it among others.

Have fun,

-cig

Botters are the herpes of eve. You can petition it, but most of the time nothing comes of it. sometimes the compitition dies down for a while until the next **** sucker starts botting.

Im inspecting Amarr and Jita like a Madman for a while now, CCP has done a perfect job of cleaning the bots up.

Guys, its all you, there are no major bots standing in your way, gogogogo.

the only two public market bots that I am aware of were released during the last year - prior to that only private market bots existed to my knowledge (creating a market bot is fairly trivial and trading is in contrast to mining a zero sum game so it doesn't make a lot of sense to release a working bot to the public, also a matter of trying not to draw too much attention from ccp)


Sreegs already confirmed that he caught almost no market bots (Linkage) - if they exist then they seem to be relatively safe (which might be one reason why we see more market bots now that other bots get banned).

Multiple trade windows / 1bn free in trade window only works if the trade window pops up on top.

Try it some time with your Market, Wallet and Assets screen open

Bots are the creations of people, programed to do this and that, once the program encounters an unexpected accurance, the results become random, which is ONE of the ways of identifying a bot.

Now, sime they are creations of people, all bots will act diferent, some will operate only on the weekends, (that ones bin banned) some will only operate only at certain times of the day, some will operate ONCE per hour, others ONCE per 4 hours (banned and gone in Amarr)
What im trying to say is, MOST bots dont use "Random" in their programing, Its coming im sure it is, I just want us to plan for the future and think of defenses before the imminent attack happens.

the solution is to base tax not on the change in price when .01-ing but the entire potential sell price

removes the entire .01 problem not only bots