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Johnny Augustus
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-05-27 16:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Augustus
Ban Bindy wrote:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

The decline in usage is pretty clear. I borrowed this link from another post. Lots of excuse-making on the forums, including people claiming that the dip last weekend was due to the wait for the expansion plus Diablo. Excuse this week is just Diablo. But the trend of less usage is clear in the stats.

This is the Sunday after expansion and usage is very low at the moment.

Why is it so hard to believe that the emphasis on ganking has driven casual players away from game? I'm not just talking about Hulkageddon. Since the Goon ice intervention, ganking has been very high and very steady in my old neighborhood in Minmatar space.

Sure, newbies are signing up for a game that has a strong PVP emphasis - but most newbies I've known are shocked to find out that suicide ganking is considered PVP.

Add that to the poor implementation of the new inventory system and you have this year's perfect storm for losing players.

Is Eve dying? Probably not. The game can hang on for a long time with its loyal core players. But it is clearly in decline at the moment. The game treats new players like crap and always has. And even core players might move on if the game gets so quiet that there's nobody to gank any more.

Thanks for the link.

I find it interesting that over the past three years, concurrent users have roughly the same numbers for this time year. Looks like historically, there is a yearly dip in players starting around now to about September, when it starts to pick up again.

Of course, a factor in this is the fact that it's the first sunday after an expansion, but right now we're at about 38.6k players right now, with that number rising by about two hundred players in the two minutes I took between checks, and it's still quite early.

When the Crucible expansion hit, there was even less concurrent players than there are now, at around 30k. Same with Incarna, around 30k. Incursion as well, also with around 30k.

By your own link, this is doing better than the previous expansions. And that's jsut with the numbers so far.

Edit: This is of course assuming I'm reading the charts correctly. I might very well be mistaken, since I'm going to be in just a bit after having just worked a night shift.

Secondary Edit: Number taken from the nearest date I could find after those Expansion releases. Dates gotten from Wikipedia.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#122 - 2012-05-27 16:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
Ban Bindy wrote:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

The decline in usage is pretty clear. I borrowed this link from another post. Lots of excuse-making on the forums, including people claiming that the dip last weekend was due to the wait for the expansion plus Diablo. Excuse this week is just Diablo. But the trend of less usage is clear in the stats.

This is the Sunday after expansion and usage is very low at the moment.
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It's a holiday weekend right now in the U.S. into/until Monday, stop trying to feel special.


Edit: Let's not completely forget the mass bannings of bots that have occured in thousands.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#123 - 2012-05-27 16:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Messoroz wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

The decline in usage is pretty clear. I borrowed this link from another post. Lots of excuse-making on the forums, including people claiming that the dip last weekend was due to the wait for the expansion plus Diablo. Excuse this week is just Diablo. But the trend of less usage is clear in the stats.

This is the Sunday after expansion and usage is very low at the moment.
.

It's a holiday weekend right now in the U.S. into/until Monday, stop trying to feel special.


You guys have holidays? Wait no, that's called the WEEKEND :) We have them every week :)
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#124 - 2012-05-27 16:33:34 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

The decline in usage is pretty clear. I borrowed this link from another post. Lots of excuse-making on the forums, including people claiming that the dip last weekend was due to the wait for the expansion plus Diablo. Excuse this week is just Diablo. But the trend of less usage is clear in the stats.

This is the Sunday after expansion and usage is very low at the moment.
.

It's a holiday weekend right now in the U.S. into/until Monday, stop trying to feel special.


You guys have holidays? Wait no, that's called the WEEKEND :) We have them every week :)


what rock you live under? or is it a blond thing?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#125 - 2012-05-27 16:33:36 UTC
You guys do know that players on line doesn't matter much when it verries bya few hundred/thousand. A lot of people pay to skill up while doing other things. For example, I didn't log in once for 3 weeks when Arkham City was released. but I still was skilling up and paying CCP.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#126 - 2012-05-27 16:37:42 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
You guys do know that players on line doesn't matter much when it verries bya few hundred/thousand. A lot of people pay to skill up while doing other things. For example, I didn't log in once for 3 weeks when Arkham City was released. but I still was skilling up and paying CCP.

yep, friends and myself have a lot of accumulated time from buying plexes (market, NOT cash) and do the same, we take breaks playing other games when we get burnt out(no pun intended).
Mirima Thurander
#127 - 2012-05-27 16:39:29 UTC
i blame the mega alliances in null for making eve be boring.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
pussnheels
Viziam
#128 - 2012-05-27 16:44:06 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
That's the population averages for the past 3 Sundays 5/6, 5/13, and 5/20.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Any thoughts about tomorrows ?


Instead of taking bets on how low the population is going to go, why not put forth some real ideas to help fix it?

tl;dr let's try positive thinking instead of negative thinking


a good idea would be a end to this senseless griefing of industrials and miners for the lulz +
all because some small minority of idiots and other imbeciels thinks it is their game and theirs alone

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#129 - 2012-05-27 16:45:16 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i blame the mega alliances in null for making eve be boring.


They made it boring for themselves in Null, so look out High Sec.

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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#130 - 2012-05-27 16:45:47 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i blame the mega alliances in null for making eve be boring.


Just curious, why? I run a small corp in null, find it fun actually. Not naming other corps, but I enjoy talking to some even though they are trying to find/kill us. Some are nice, and some are down right obscene.
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#131 - 2012-05-27 16:47:54 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i blame the mega alliances in null for making eve be boring.


Just curious, why? I run a small corp in null, find it fun actually. Not naming other corps, but I enjoy talking to some even though they are trying to find/kill us. Some are nice, and some are down right obscene.



Great. One un-bored person in Null and of course it's declared a COMPLETE COUNTER-ARGUMENT doncha know ???

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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#132 - 2012-05-27 16:50:19 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i blame the mega alliances in null for making eve be boring.


Just curious, why? I run a small corp in null, find it fun actually. Not naming other corps, but I enjoy talking to some even though they are trying to find/kill us. Some are nice, and some are down right obscene.



Great. One un-bored person in Null and of course it's declared a COMPLETE COUNTER-ARGUMENT doncha know ???


My post was meant in jest, not an attack. Sorry for taking interest in what your concerns are.
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#133 - 2012-05-27 16:56:04 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i blame the mega alliances in null for making eve be boring.


Just curious, why? I run a small corp in null, find it fun actually. Not naming other corps, but I enjoy talking to some even though they are trying to find/kill us. Some are nice, and some are down right obscene.



Great. One un-bored person in Null and of course it's declared a COMPLETE COUNTER-ARGUMENT doncha know ???


My post was meant in jest, not an attack. Sorry for taking interest in what your concerns are.


Sry. Things are just a bit sensitive.

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#134 - 2012-05-27 17:08:26 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
That's the population averages for the past 3 Sundays 5/6, 5/13, and 5/20.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Any thoughts about tomorrows ?


Instead of taking bets on how low the population is going to go, why not put forth some real ideas to help fix it?

tl;dr let's try positive thinking instead of negative thinking


a good idea would be a end to this senseless griefing of industrials and miners for the lulz +
all because some small minority of idiots and other imbeciels thinks it is their game and theirs alone


If they got some balls and teeth then they wouldn't feel like they were being griefed. There are plenty of industrials in high sec who don't get griefed simply because they don't think they're entitled to being 'left alone to play nice'. Get a grip.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#135 - 2012-05-27 17:09:30 UTC
Quote:
Sry. Things are just a bit sensitive.


Believe me I know how it goes.

I went hunting last night, 25 jumps found 4 people either docked up, or in a random place alone in their pod. Its weird actually. I havent seen the blobs for a few nights, but the flip side, ratting without worry is better money than lvl 4 missions. It can be boring at times, and exciting also if a group/blob jumps in system. I think with the holiday weekend, a drop in group activities is to be expected.

Best wishes

P.S. I speak for myself, not even my corpmates...which doesnt matter since i dont post on my main.
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#136 - 2012-05-27 17:13:25 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:

There are plenty of industrials in high sec who don't get griefed simply because they don't think they're entitled to being 'left alone to play nice'. Get a grip.



So....just by THINKING this, the gankers stay away. Right. Got it.

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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#137 - 2012-05-27 17:16:43 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
I think with the holiday weekend, a drop in group activities is to be expected.



I don't know. Before I retired, if I was not actually going somewhere during vacation, I considered it extra time for playing even more games. I know how geeks and gamers think in general. So.............hard to say.

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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#138 - 2012-05-27 17:43:37 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

The decline in usage is pretty clear. I borrowed this link from another post. Lots of excuse-making on the forums, including people claiming that the dip last weekend was due to the wait for the expansion plus Diablo. Excuse this week is just Diablo. But the trend of less usage is clear in the stats.

This is the Sunday after expansion and usage is very low at the moment.
.

It's a holiday weekend right now in the U.S. into/until Monday, stop trying to feel special.


You guys have holidays? Wait no, that's called the WEEKEND :) We have them every week :)


Memorial Day weekend, people aren't wasting their times on computers.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#139 - 2012-05-27 18:00:01 UTC
Is EVE dead yet? I heard it's been hanging on for a while now.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#140 - 2012-05-27 18:13:48 UTC
I still remember to think: "13000 people online !!! wow this is busy tonight" Cool