Science & Industry

I've just invented my first T2 BPC; I've not enjoyed any aspect of the invention process (research BPO, copy BPO, jump here for datacores, jump there for more data cores, data interface and maybe a decrypter, faff around training skills totally irrelevant to anything else in game then pray to the RNG God that I'll get a ****** T2 BPC that cannot compete in quality to any T2 BPO I've ever seen.) I'm at the stage where I don't give a flying f**k about profit or the math, but I am sick of jumping through hoops just to compete with bitter vet T2 BPO owners.

A good T2 BPO will fetch more than a beta character which as far as I'm concerned is indefensible; either T2 BPOs should be available for all players or none at all. The only solution I could think of would be to allow T2 BPOs to be invented (if chosen instead of inventing a BPC,) but with a huge negative M.E./P.E.

Neither of those things have anything to do with any T2 BPOs existing, even if all T2 BPOs would be gone, you'd still have to do exactly the same thing to invent stuff.


The item your BPC makes is identical to the item a BPO makes.
The price at which the item sells (if it's a popular item) is almost exactly the same price it would sell for without any T2 BPOs existing for that item.
The only items where price is (at least occasionally) below invention breakeven is items with low demand in general, and that INCLUDES items that have no T2 BPOs to begin with.


The bad news is that you'd still be jumping through the same hoops regardless of T2 BPOs existing.
The worse news is that, for items where invention is even remotely profitable (that being the majority of items when ISK totals are concerned), you're NOT mainly competing with T2 BPO owners anyway, you're mainly competing with other inventors.


And why exactly is that ?
There are other items that can no longer be created that sold for even higher prices.
And there are items that can be created that cost almost that much.


They are available to all players, but not at the same time.
Offer enough ISK and one can be yours.


To summarize : the things you dislike are that invention is annoying (which won't be fixed by removing T2 BPOs) and that T2 BPOs cost too much for your taste (and their price is determined by the PLAYERS that trade them).
Basically, nothing about why T2 BPOs should be removed, just you being frustrated by an annoying system and the fact other people are richer than you.

So, you gonna get rid of faction/officer drops? Invention? Wormholes? All of those grant riches based on "Luck."

If you have evidence that the T2 BPOs seeded by the lottery* were tainted by developer malfeasance, Internal Affairs would like to talk to you.

I don't own any T2BPOs. Trying to poison the well of discourse would tend to suggest that you are unsure of your argument's strength.

Do T2 BPOs prevent Inventors from making profits through invention? No they don't**.
Do they significantly impact the market? Only in low demand markets where they can fill most of the supply themselves.
Do they have a good ROI? No, they're spectacularly overpriced for the income they can generate (3 year ROI o.0)

Ok, I covered the 3 places where they can actually cause unbalanced results. Got any others?

*besides the ones that were tainted and pulled, ofc
**unless you're doing something silly like RPing to pick your market then complaining that your RP isn't profitable

The current 24hr max is 40,000 people, and the long term trend is showing the server population recovering from the Incarna crash last summer/fall.
Stats. In case of Stupid, read graph right to left.

Outfitting a Corp... what are you talking about? These are economic instruments.

Yes, a T2BPO is convenience. That convenience costs maybe 100 billion ISK to acquire (or has a 100b ISK opportunity cost for not selling).

Not buying a T2BPO is smart. There are much better returns on your ISK then T2BPOs; Invention, for one.

You shouldn't be able to invent a T2BPO because that would be spectacularly broken.

Those who understand that the BPO`s are NOT the reason for their failing?...
just read the posts in this T2-BPO-Hate thread, I dont think even in this thread its the overwhelming majority who thinks that the BPO`s are an issue.




if you dont like it, simply dont do it. But why bother to convince others that they dotn like it either?




yea... its not only vets beeing bitter here it seems, you are sooo jelly.

Because in 2012, Our Savior Brewlar Kuvakei told us the Good News that our efforts are meaningless in the face of the great Shaitan, the Hulk BPO. When Our Savior went to the asteroid belt to contemplate the nature of His sacrifice, the Hulk BPO offered him riches beyond measure to tempt Him away from His holy task.
He then returned to create another of His sublime writings, exposing more of the depravity of the Shaitan and his minions, the Covert Ops BPOs. As He explained in the parable of the Inventor, the Shaitan leads the inventor away from the paths of righteousness and into scarce markets where he cannot profit, but Lo, Our Savior, Brewlar Kuvakei was there to roust the Shaitan and save the inventor from his clutches.

Alas, this paradise cannot be, for one day, Our Savior will be betrayed. One day His turn will come, as the masses before him Unsub before the face of the Shaitan, He will be tortured and put to display before He is reunited with the Doomheim Corporation of his father.

Hallelujah

bpo holders are the scapegoats of a minority of squeaky inventors. (those who are unable... See above...)

The problem is the market competition. And for a manufacturer from T2 BPOS, there are 25 inventors.

If you are not able to understand it, waives any industrial project activity and any market, you ought to just kill npc in 0.0

This is a good point as T2BPO actually kills the game reducing players the problem only compounds itself. The less players the less demand for T2 meaning that the fields open to inventors gets smaller each passing day. T2BPO's dire effects on the game will only get exponentially worse as time goes on.

You've tried to make that point before. Pretending that your alt just brought it to your attention makes you look silly (well, sillier than this whole thing does, anyway). Good job outing an alt.

Besides that, just because your alt quit at week/day max and posted at week/day mean doesn't mean he get's to play the EvE is dying card. Like I posted above, look at the metrics and you'll see that EvE is healthier than it's been in ~9 months.