EVE General Discussion

Oh! (Hi!) You're unaware! The forum is a haven for the delusional. You might notice 40,000 people don't post here. To the in-game population the forum is a joke and only fools post in it. I started posting here when I discovered CCP actually listens to these people.

It's not normally full of "I will unsub" posts. That only happens when you have stupid changes that upset large-ish percentages of the playerbase.

The last time it happened was last year after the Incarna update. And there have been times before as well. But normally, it's just full of (usually) good-humoured trolling and baiting.

There're a couple of reasons for all this:

First, in recent history, CCP has failed to respond to actions less extreme than mass unsubs combined with loud protests. Last summer's Jita riots were in response to an absurd failure of CCP to listen to very clear protestation on this forum. So the "Hey Guize, let's UNSUB NAO" meme is probably here to stay until CCP shows a significant pattern of listening to people on the forums (this new inventory is very nice, and will probably become great, but it's been released before it's ready, and quite a number of smart people on the forums have been telling CCP that for a while).

Second, there are two major camps on how EvE should evolve and change over time, specifically in relation to non-consensual PvP and Scams.
The camp that would prefer to end non-consensual PvP (to head this off, Safe Zones would end non-consensual PvP by making leaving the zone = consent) and/or scamming tends to be very vocal about venting their frustration when they find themselves on the losing end of a non-consensual PvP encounter and tend to believe that CCP needs to take a much more active role in regulating the amount of power that groups of players can amass (OTEC, Burn Jita, HAG, etc. all have threads calling for CCP intervention). The core argument here is that EvE is a game and as such, players should be insulated from the parts of the game they do not enjoy.
The camp that believe's that EvE's core is it's capacity for non-consensual PvP and/or Scamming also tends to be very vocal in defending the current state of the game that they chose to play because of that core idea. This camp tends to see groups projecting power (OTEC, etc) as a game feature, noting that in a sandbox Players create content, and anything that a group of players can do to increase intraplayer interaction is creating content. The core argument here is that EvE has always been a place for non-consensual PvP and Scamming and that changing that would violate their expectation that the basic premise of an MMO should remain consistent to allow people the continued enjoyment of a game they have supported.
These camps don't really have much ground for compromise, since the issue is essentially a binary option, and neither camp is often able to convince anyone on the other camp, the argument tends to get loud and heated.

In summary, the reason the whining is this loud and unsub threats are this prevalent, is that we have a heated argument over the future of a game we're heavily invested in and a game company who has shown that they don't listen to much other than actual unsubs.

Addendum to this post: An image that sums up the EVE forums pretty well.

While I feel you said some important things and I have no doubt you know what you're talking about, your big words confuse me and I kind of missed the entirety of your post other than "Some people want PvP, some people don't, CCP is just kinda staring into blank space not siding with anyone".

I apologize if this is an incorrect summary

You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

If this is your first time in Fight Club you have to fight.

Last rule applies to Eve, failure to do so results in immediate whining, and depression upon realizing how painful losing really is in game.

Oh and everyone whines on forums it's nothing new, especially after an expansion theres ALWAYS a lot of whining afterwards for awhile. But read my sig and memorize it and never forget it. It is the one truth of EVE. Our carebears are bigger griefers than the griefers in other MMOs if you give them a chance, trust me you will learn that the hardway if you stick around long enough.

I'm a happy gamer. I think CCP have created and continue to run one of the most amazing games i have ever set eyes on, even after a year now. I like the new inventory as do most people i know who actually fly spaceships in the game instead of ***** on the forums.

Inferno kicks serious ass so far CCP, thanks.

So you CLAIM to walk into a game... have NO idea of the 9 years of history you missed and want to forum a conclusion?

So you have NO idea what the UI looked like, but can tell this way is better (also you need like 2 windows... get into a POS, get into a carrier, an orca, a fleet... ETC ETC ETC)

The walking in stations what you have is 5 YEARS worth of ****, it was to open the game up to a sub + pay to win store...

A CCP leaked memo said do not listen to the players go based off the actions... the UNSUBBING is because of ACTIONS being all CCP cares about...

Oh your math too btw... 480,000 a month you act like that is alot...

that is **** rofl total ****...

Forgetting about servers? bandwidth, staff, buildings...

Um ya 480k is like what it costs blizzard to run servers for like a week LOL

But do tell me so called noob.

How is going from 1 click to 3 to do the SAME thing better?

How is ista opening a wreck and taking 3 seconds BETTER?

Then it would probably be best if you stopped posting. Not only because CCP is composed of people whose intelligence and talent far surpasses your own (which is saying quite a lot) but also because your posting is of similar quality to that of a drunk, blind clown, randomly hitting keys on his keyboard while he glugs down a fifth of jack and chuckles to himself over his mastery of all things posting related.

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