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Sanjio
Honour Before Death
#21 - 2012-05-24 21:05:31 UTC
I usually fly with

[Rokh, T2]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

425mm Railgun II, Javelin L ==27km opt / 29 Falloff
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Hammerhead II x5
===========

Cap Runs at 4:29
Shield Resists are: 54.1/81.2/85.9/77
Armor Resists are: 57.5/53.2/36.3/23.5

DPS (with my skills (BS@5 and Railspec@ 3) 533 + 155.5 (Drones)
Volley Dmg is 3052

Shield Rep per cycle 670
81705 EHP uniformed damage

If I swap against Caldari Navy Ammo i get 54 Optimal+29 Falloff and 681 DPS (combined)

My optional Fit get rid of one of the the Heatsinks and puts in a Power Diagnostic II
That lowers the DPS but raises the Cap to 6:46 and EHP to 83856

Overall I can do solo most Lvl4s.
All you need to cycle your shieldbooster from time to time a bit
I usually wait till the shield drops to like 60% and then start cycling till about 80-90%

The Passive Hardeners are swapped depending on the mission npc's

I tried with CCCs as Rigs but the Rokh works better with the Memory Cells ´from my experience.
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-24 21:54:10 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:
Is dealing 987 DPS really bad? I'm shooting from 250km though (and im using t1 iron )


You're not getting 987 DPS. You might be getting that on single volleys, but to get DPS you need to divide that by your rate of fire -- which ought to give you a number around 300. Which isn't good.


I mean from all 8 turrets.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#23 - 2012-05-24 22:18:35 UTC
Gally Alita wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:
Is dealing 987 DPS really bad? I'm shooting from 250km though (and im using t1 iron )


You're not getting 987 DPS. You might be getting that on single volleys, but to get DPS you need to divide that by your rate of fire -- which ought to give you a number around 300. Which isn't good.


I mean from all 8 turrets.


So did I. The fit I posted with 425s and 4 faction mag stabs gets 238 DPS with iron charges, but comes in at 1247 volley. 1247 volley/5.1s per volley = 238 DPS.
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-05-24 22:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Gally Alita
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:
Is dealing 987 DPS really bad? I'm shooting from 250km though (and im using t1 iron )


You're not getting 987 DPS. You might be getting that on single volleys, but to get DPS you need to divide that by your rate of fire -- which ought to give you a number around 300. Which isn't good.


I mean from all 8 turrets.


So did I. The fit I posted with 425s and 4 faction mag stabs gets 238 DPS with iron charges, but comes in at 1247 volley. 1247 volley/5.1s per volley = 238 DPS.


900 some volley mine showed

my bad
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-24 22:22:25 UTC
Sanjio wrote:
I usually fly with

[Rokh, T2]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

425mm Railgun II, Javelin L ==27km opt / 29 Falloff
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Hammerhead II x5
===========

Cap Runs at 4:29
Shield Resists are: 54.1/81.2/85.9/77
Armor Resists are: 57.5/53.2/36.3/23.5

DPS (with my skills (BS@5 and Railspec@ 3) 533 + 155.5 (Drones)
Volley Dmg is 3052

Shield Rep per cycle 670
81705 EHP uniformed damage

If I swap against Caldari Navy Ammo i get 54 Optimal+29 Falloff and 681 DPS (combined)

My optional Fit get rid of one of the the Heatsinks and puts in a Power Diagnostic II
That lowers the DPS but raises the Cap to 6:46 and EHP to 83856

Overall I can do solo most Lvl4s.
All you need to cycle your shieldbooster from time to time a bit
I usually wait till the shield drops to like 60% and then start cycling till about 80-90%

The Passive Hardeners are swapped depending on the mission npc's

I tried with CCCs as Rigs but the Rokh works better with the Memory Cells ´from my experience.




Wow I like this fit. Thanks.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#26 - 2012-05-26 03:36:30 UTC
I'm going to be truefull here.

If your dead set on Rails over Blasters for missioning in the Rokh your going to be disappointed at how slowly you get things done in most missions.

Hybird weapons do include Blasters and your going to see better completion times on a Blaster Rokh then a Rail one.

Gallent ships that have +tracking and large Drone bays do clean up level 4 missions nicely though with rails.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Sup B1tches
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-05-26 11:39:52 UTC
I think a blaster boat with an MWD would be way better than a rail boat with an MWD.

With 3 Mag stabs you are looking at (with normal AM) 523 DPS with 425's, Vs 781 with Neutrons.

[Rokh, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5

ya got about 940 DPS there all @ 5, you could power through missions
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-05-26 15:34:57 UTC
Rip Minner wrote:
I'm going to be truefull here.

If your dead set on Rails over Blasters for missioning in the Rokh your going to be disappointed at how slowly you get things done in most missions.

Hybird weapons do include Blasters and your going to see better completion times on a Blaster Rokh then a Rail one.

Gallent ships that have +tracking and large Drone bays do clean up level 4 missions nicely though with rails.



Trying out Naga right now, doing 470 dps with t1 rail in a Naga at 150km
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-05-26 17:50:08 UTC
Gally Alita wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:
I'm going to be truefull here.

If your dead set on Rails over Blasters for missioning in the Rokh your going to be disappointed at how slowly you get things done in most missions.

Hybird weapons do include Blasters and your going to see better completion times on a Blaster Rokh then a Rail one.

Gallent ships that have +tracking and large Drone bays do clean up level 4 missions nicely though with rails.



Trying out Naga right now, doing 470 dps with t1 rail in a Naga at 150km


May as well do it now to experience parts of Eve's content that no one else does. You won't want to do this later when you get a real boat.Smile
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-05-26 17:53:36 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:
I'm going to be truefull here.

If your dead set on Rails over Blasters for missioning in the Rokh your going to be disappointed at how slowly you get things done in most missions.

Hybird weapons do include Blasters and your going to see better completion times on a Blaster Rokh then a Rail one.

Gallent ships that have +tracking and large Drone bays do clean up level 4 missions nicely though with rails.



Trying out Naga right now, doing 470 dps with t1 rail in a Naga at 150km


May as well do it now to experience parts of Eve's content that no one else does. You won't want to do this later when you get a real boat.Smile


I know what you mean. I just focus more on style than on function.
stoicfaux
#31 - 2012-05-26 20:35:18 UTC
350 DPS: 564
425 DPS: 593

350's are easier to fit with better tracking and comparable range. 7m12s of 560 peak tank versus Serpentis (474 sustained tank.) Tracking is 0.026. Range is 47km+32km with antimatter.


[Rokh, Mission Rokh - 350]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
X-Large Shield Booster II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation I
Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation I
Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation I



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-05-26 20:45:29 UTC
Immortis Vexx wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:
What about max range rokh? I wonder if I can fly like 200km away and start pinning everyone down with railguns.


Swap out for a sensor booster and a sensor amp to give you the sensor range. Iron charges will give you a 171KM optimal with a 30km falloff, spike rounds will give you a 194 optimal if you really wanna take T2 ammo into a mission.. heres the fit and details

[Rokh, PVE]

8x 425mm Railgun II (Iron Charge L)

2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
2x Cap Recharger II
Sensor Booster II (Targeting Range Script)

2x Capacitor Power Relay II
2x Power Diagnostic System II
Signal Amplifier II

2x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

[Statistics - max skills]

Effective HP: 63,968 (Eve: 49,279)
Tank Ability: 409.57 DPS
Damage Profile - (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 61.19%, Ex: 80.59%, Ki: 76.71%, Th: 68.95%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Stable at 36.76%)

Volley Damage: 1,010.23
DPS: 146.77

Note the INSANE decrease in DPS from the last fit. If you want, I can build you a fit specific to your skill set but I would need your API key to put into EVE HQ. If you are interested, send me an evemail.

Vexx


Fits without at least 2, preferable 3 or 4 damage mods are not functional for PvE...
Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-05-26 20:47:26 UTC
Gally Alita wrote:
What about max range rokh? I wonder if I can fly like 200km away and start pinning everyone down with railguns.


There are too many missions with webbing frigates, and in some mission those frigates are also triggers for spawns. You don't want to count on being able to get into a sniper position.
Sweet Edier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-05-26 20:53:16 UTC
i can not post a new topic!why!
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-05-27 04:52:40 UTC
Sweet Edier wrote:
i can not post a new topic!why!


I donno
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-05-27 06:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodoric Darkwind
sabre906 wrote:


Winmatard wins, fly Winmatar, be a Winmatard.Big smile


If your gonna put autos on it you might as well just fly a maelstrom.

Here is a not too spendy pve rokh fit. The gist hardeners are cheap and very worth it (your gists should be your rat specific with a standard T2 invul for your 3rd or a 3rd specific for missions with 3 damage types). With the rokh you want to stack resist to take advantage of the bonus, you fly it pretty much the same as a pve maelstrom, but your tradeoff is not needing to run the booster as much with the higher resists. It does 629 dps with cheap antimatter with a 70km optimal, your damage projection should be better than autocannons outside of 20km at least against stuff with either a kin or therm hole. I would not take this fit up against blood or sanshas, you will tank angels like a boss but expect to have to kite a bit.

Just be aware you have about 40% less boost per cycle than a maelstrom, but with the resist bonus you shouldn't need to run the booster as much.

It doesn't have the dps of a megathron but has a far stronger tank and is far easier to fit, its also much easier to fit than a hyperion as both of the gallente gunboats have CPU issues. If cost is no object just get a vindi if you want the ultimate hybrid boat (just be aware that a deadspace tank is a near requirement for a vindi).

[Rokh, Ratting Rokh]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

X-Large Shield Booster II
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
Gist B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Trading Unknown
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-05-27 14:06:56 UTC
Immortis Vexx wrote:
Heya,

I am not an expert at putting a fit together but here is what I came up with. Feel free to talk crap. Complete this fit with drones and you will be set I believe. Swap the invul fields for resist specific ones to increase tank. EHP listed below is based on an omni tank with maxed skills. With the Antimatter charges you still get a 54km optimal with 30km falloff.

[Rokh, PVE]

8x 425mm Railgun II (Antimatter Charge L)

2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
2x Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)

2x Capacitor Power Relay II
2x Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

2x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Er, quick note: Cap Power Relays reduce Shield Boost amounts. You're working against active tank with those in the lows.
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-05-27 15:02:54 UTC
Rokh..
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#39 - 2012-05-27 15:18:18 UTC
2 mining laZors and cargo expanders to flip those Spelling poulice cans
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#40 - 2012-05-27 15:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Here, Nice simple, cheap(ish) Rokhs

Both tank 1200 DPS (omni, fit rat specific to do better) while you keep them fed with cap boosters (should be easy). Both could probably stand to drop a tank slot (hardener or amp depending) if you can find something worthwhile to slot in.

Blasters hit for 923 DPS (no drones)
Rails hit for 619 DPS (no drones) with a 62k optimal)

Seen too many overpriced, overtanked failbats in here (Zhilia's look fine). And nobody seems to want the new mods. If you need more than 10 rep cycles with the equivalent of a Pith X-type booster (better if you OH), you're bad and should feel bad.

Better advice... fly literally anything else.

[Rokh, Mission Rokh Rails]

Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script <<<< Come up with something better

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
[Empty Rig slot] <<<< Fill these with whatever doesn't eat grid
[Empty Rig slot]



[Rokh, Mission Rokh]

Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Gist C-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
[Empty Rig slot]

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