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Needed Buddy Invite Program Changes & Improvments

Author
Tank CEO
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-10-04 15:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tank CEO
The buddy program needs to be improved. When sending invites to people you don't know, complications arise. There are many flaws in the system. These flaws are as follows:


  1. A trialed newbie is required to recreate a new account if he is to be eligible for the buddy invite and the extra 7 days
  2. Buddy program competitors who want to hog the new recruits, and then grieve other competitors.
  3. Buddy Invite is limited to 10 per account, but the number is deducted by only sending a invite. It should be more complex.
  4. Better security for those who don't abuse and scam via buddy invites.


Issue 1:A newbie already on trial is required to recreate a new account if he is to be eligible for the buddy invite and the extra 7 days.

Problem: This is highly unfortunate for the new recruit, thus making it more difficult for the new player to decide if he wants to start over. They don't know if they can use the same email account, and they don't know what will happen to their progress. Simply put, newbies do not want to start over especially ones that have over a week invested.

Solution: Implement a way so newbies already on a trial can accept the buddy program and receive an extra 7 days to their trial. This will then give them the opportunity to receive our help package which mainly is a large sum of money. The helps the newbie extremely and increases the chances that newbie will subscribe again thus giving CCP more money.

Issue 2: Buddy program competitors who want to hog new recruits, and then grieve other competitors.


Problem: Competitors are starting to cross the line, and are trying to hog all the invites, and they will tarnish your offer to the fullest extent. Competitors offering a better deal just isn't enough for them. Competitors just do not realize they have 30 days to give away their invites and people do usually go for the better offer. These are the methods they are using:

  • Using newly made emails to ask for a invite request, and then delete the invite and not use it. This is considering grieving because they are deceitfully sending you a fake request with the sole purpose to waste your limited invite because they have a personal issue with you. Again, there are what, thosuands of new trials every months? There are plenty for everyone! But nope, they want to grieve you so you don't invite anyone.


  • Directly countering your offer and posting false libel, so they specifically discredit my offer. Thankfully there is a thread that was created to prevent this.

  • Competitors now are accepting other competitors invites to obtain what 'guide' they offer. I, for example, offered a guide with my ISK payout that showed players how to start marking 3-6 billion ISK and I also provided links to other great guides. Well, one competitor that was recently removed from the buddy program forum thread because he broke rules constantly and was a shady competitor, accepted my buddy invite, and I sent him the pay out + my guide. Well, 5 minutes after, he posted my guide publicly on the forums and has been using it as his own to help his offer.


  • Suggestion: CCP needs to release a guide on how to report these people and explain to us what we need to do to obtain proof that such competitors are committing such acts. IF a person is found guilty, he or she should have account action taken against them and be banned from the buddy invite program. There should be an option in the petition system that has a specific division for this such as "Buddy Invite Abuse"

    Buddy Invite is limited to 10 per account, but the number is deducted by only sending a invite. It should be more complex.

    Problem Accounts are limited to 10 buddy invites, and I think that is fair number. However, I do not think your total number of invites should be used just by sending out a email that can be rejected or ignored because of obvious reasons. I mean, a competitor can send you 10 fake emails, not use them, and you are out and the invites are wasted and potiential noobs that would have signed up have lost out because of another persons greed and grief.

    Suggestion: The following options is what I suggest to consider a invite to be counted as used:

  • A new recruit needs to accept the invite and create a new account and should subscribe before that invite can be considered as used. Now, I know this has the potential of being abused, so maybe you can limit the amount of invites sent out be day, so say 3? However, I think that invites should only be considered as used until a person actually subscribed with that invite, and if a person gets more invites than 10 per month, the it should roll over to the next month and the amount of invites he is given next month would be limited based on last months performance. So, if 12 people actually subscribed with my invite, then in October, I would only receive 8 noob invites. By doing this, it would fix the problem of people trying to grieve you with fake emails, people changing their mind, or people just simply not accepting your invite at all and not even creating an account with that invite.

  • If the above suggestion is not possible, then give us the ability to remove invites.


  • I didn't proofread because I have to go now. I'll continue this later.
    Tank CEO
    MASS
    Pandemic Horde
    #2 - 2011-10-04 15:25:51 UTC
    Reserved
    Plyn
    Uncharted.
    #3 - 2011-10-04 16:05:58 UTC
    To Issue 1: +1 they should definitely put this in. It's a win win win situation.

    To Issue 2: There really is no way to tell if a person legitimately wants to use the invite or not. Since there's no way to tell this, it would be pretty hard to restrict people's ability to falsely request an invite. As far as your guide goes, I'd suggest locking it with your name written all over it. Password protected documents can be broken, but at least you aren't making it too easy.

    If someone is stalking you, I would contact the police and see what they can do for you.

    I think one of the reasons you are limited by how many invites you can send, rather than the number that are accepted, is because CCP doesn't want people to ultra-spam out the invites 100,000 a day to random people like a twisted viagra sales pitch. Let's face it, if they could, people would do this.
    Aqriue
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #4 - 2011-10-04 19:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
    How about this...

    Stop looking for the "Slackass Achievement" and make your own ingame isk to buy plex instead of outsource by phishing for recruits. Buddy invites are ment to bring friends into EVE to play with, not let you get free game time cause your too damn lazy to either pay for it with real cash that just a few hours of work a month or accumulatefor isk via any known way from mission to trade to belt ratting to scamming. You know that saying "Don't fly what you cannot afford to replace" also means "You accept full responcility for your actions" and look what happened. Yeah, keep it up. Its not like a free month for you is worth the 180m your offering to a newb (at least keep seeing a guy in NPC corp chat offering it when in fact 1 to 1 its worth 400m isk or current plex price, at least 3/4 minimum) and that free guide you have....I can hook you up with a sage hermit living on a mountain top that knows more then you and his name is Google. Thats why those Buddy invites are a waste of time unless its actually people you know, not worth the hassle but you couldn't see that comming now did you Roll
    Tank CEO
    MASS
    Pandemic Horde
    #5 - 2011-10-05 05:56:20 UTC
    Ok, whatever you say.
    Raendel
    #6 - 2011-10-05 20:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Raendel
    Oh look, Tank is whining again...

    Can anyone say.... victim complex ?

    Notice how all the "flaws in the system" are things which he personally does not like. People accept his invite and decide not to upgrade after all. This is part of life, but what does Tank do? Cry to CCP to get his invites back. People don't like him so they call him and harass him. This is also part of life, but what does Tank do? Cry to CCP to do something about it. (lol "halp CCP, someone called my house, do something halp!")

    Quote:
    The buddy program needs to be improved.


    You mean changed to benefit you, right?

    Quote:
    Issue 2: Buddy program competitors who want to hog new recruits, and then grieve other competitors.


    This is kind of impossible. You yourself said there are "thousands" of new trials each month. How can a person with 10 invites hog them all?

    Quote:
    Directly countering your offer


    This is called competition. Learn to handle it instead of crying to Mommy.

    Quote:
    A new recruit needs to accept the invite and create a new account and should subscribe before that invite can be considered as used. Now, I know this has the potential of being abused, so maybe you can limit the amount of invites sent out be day, so say 3? However, I think that i


    You understand that the invitation is for a 21 day FREE TRIAL, right? Making someone pay defeats the purpose of a FREE TRIAL...

    Quote:
    CCP needs to release a guide on how to report these people


    That's easy. Pick up your phone, and dial "411". Ask the operator to patch you through to your local police department. Tell them that people from the Interwebz are calling you.

    Wait for the police officer on the other end to finish laughing, and then say "no, I'm serious!", and then try to relax as you listen to the dial tone.

    Oy oy oy....

    Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, although I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein

    Kadeyoo
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #7 - 2011-10-17 05:46:38 UTC
    Raendel wrote:
    [...]

    That's easy. Pick up your phone, and dial "411". Ask the operator to patch you through to your local police department. Tell them that people from the Interwebz are calling you.

    Wait for the police officer on the other end to finish laughing, and then say "no, I'm serious!", and then try to relax as you listen to the dial tone.

    Oy oy oy....



    Priceless.


    People "abuse" the buddy system (accept it, the way you are using it is not how it was meant to be), and then complain that the mechanics are not to their liking.

    You should be glad CCP lets you do these deals and even supports them by disallowing scams.