Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with this. The new UI is absolutley agrivating and annoying. Every time i dock i have to reopen everything to move stuff in and out of hanger and ship cargo bay. Same goes with undocking(everything closes). If you can, at least make it so when you open a window and leave it there.... it stays there.

Everything about the new inventory system is not entirely bad. It's actually helpful sometimes, but most of the time it is counter intuitive, sluggish, and cumbersome.


My suggestions

Essential changes and bug fixes:

-Persistent inventory windows in stations
-Restore the 'Ships' icon for the neocom
-When dragging inventory to the sidebar (Tree view), the UI needs to be much more responsive. The container you are going to drop items in takes a few seconds for the inventory Tree to gain focus, and then only mousewheel will slide the tree, it doesn't respond to cursor position.
This is disgracefully bad.
Inventory dragged over the tree should automatically scroll the sidebar if the cursor is near the top/bottom of the scrollable tree.

Changes to make it more intuitive:

If I have the inventory window open, and then I open a container in space, that container needs to be in a separate, miniturized (old style) window. Not everyone may agree with this, but this was the previous default behavior and it should remain the default behavior.

Nothing is more infuriating to me then having the inventory open, clicking on a hangar/array/container to open it, and then having my current inventory window switch to that container. That defeats the purpose of having graphics at all, after I have been doing it that way for years in W-space.

An analogy of this scenario is eve combat-- Sure in combat, you can target enemies using the overview. But you can also click on them and target them as you see their ships in space. The inventory should work like this as well and pop up containers in a separate window by default.

I propose to have a settings checkbox that makes unified inventory the default window for all containers that are opened, disabled by default. The default setting is for new containers to be opened in separate windows, unless the modifier *SHIFT* is pressed, in which case the containers become nested in the inventory tree.


Regarding the responsiveness of the new inventory

The initial loading seems sluggish, but I don't have the old system to compare it to. I want to say that it is slower because it is loading all the containers at once, but it could be my imagination. Anyone else's thoughts on that?


I have faith ccp will improve this. They have improved the game so remarkably over the last few months that I see no reason why they would stop now.

Issue: Its sometimes counter-intuitive to on how to open new inventory windows.

Fix: Make the inventory icon a permanent, non-shifting memeber of the left icon taskbar. Whenever you click on it, a new inventory window will open. This will allow one to easily open a window, set it to its desired location... click on the inventory to open another window, move it to a desired location, rinse and repeat.


Issue: Its often hard to scroll manually.

Fix: Allow the user to change the size of the scroll bar, so it is a size that best suits them!



Issue: Ship hangar needs to be more quickly accessible.

Fix: Bring back a fixed Ships Inventory icon on the icon taskbar.

Please please please change the hangers back to the way they was, im finding it confusing and time consuming. or have this hanger system on mother and titans only.. for the average player whose cargo hold is not always full its far to complicated. I am spending far to liong finding hangers and opening them up whils pressing shift when the old system of right click the ship and open that hanger (Orca is a mess to open hangers for ore /cargo / corp hanger) I absouloutly hate this system and find it a over complicated system.

The new UI for containers has some great new features, but the implementation is horrible, it feels rushed and it takes away almost as much [if not more] than it gives.

The detailed search feature is very powerful, but the UI needs to be pulled back a bit, not so 'in your face' a way to do this could be deploying it in a fasion similar to the way that each pilots multiple overview settings are saved and called upon. perhaps a nice simple and fast pulldown menu of your pre-saved search categories.

Also, the STUPID amount of time it takes to load it up each time you enter a station, just defies any common sense whatsoever, improvements are supposed to simplify things and make common tasks faster, not slower... this needs to be gutted and rethought, when i open my ship cargo, i want to open my ship cargo, not wait 20 seconds for the entire station inventory to load...

CCP you are onto a good thing here, dont break all the great ideas by deploying it in a half ars'd UI.

Oh, and as a side note, these search functions, i really hope they are saved server side, because after setting all these up, i would be damn upset if i had to do it all over again at any stage, so upset i probably would not bother with them... so make them server side or exportable [in a similar fasion to the overview].

Issue: The new inventory menue is unintuitive and cumbersome

Fix: give us back the old options of handling inventory, like the corp hangar button
Else let us merge other inventory stuff like the corporate hangars and the actual ship's hangar to the station panel like it is possible with the ships and items hangars.

I think the complaints are all sound. I'm not going to repeat several issues, I'm only going to give ideas for additional functions of the existing Unified Inventory, which I personally like, but could be expanded more, fixing issues on the way.


1: All windows opened through unified inventory (by shiftclicking) remember their location on the screen, even when opened and closed, or you get out of range, or whatever. This is actually a must.

2: Cargo bay and wreck cargo will, by default, have their own window on the screen when outside stations. You can of course close them and they should stay closed after that, but for new players, they are opened.
2.a: CHAs and SMAs (also on capital ships)... tbh I don't know much about these. I suppose they could use the unified inventory as long as

3: Unified Inventory should be actually good for POSes: the distance requirements to open structures inside the POS forcefield should be removed. As long as you are within 2500m of the control tower you can move stuff between structures that are kilometers away from each other with a single click. This makes it easier to manage POSes through the unified inventory. It always bugged me that I had to travel literally kilometers inside a POS, to move crap between structures. That's one of the most useless and annoying game mechanics. So change it, and combined with unified inventory, POSes will be so much more easier to manage.


That's it. That should fix pretty much all issues with the inventory.

To fit more in the EVE style, maybe not make it a vertical scrollbar, but make "tabs" and a horizontal scroll bar like the old style, but then in the new unified inventory style to be more intuitive.

I personally believe that either the new inventory should be optional as it stands, or at least give us the capability to pin it to our station services menu. Because my researchers (all of our research is done remotely) are all up in arms right now.

Giving us back the old way to deal with inventory would be the single biggest improvement ccp had ever done to EVE

An answer to two SIMPLE questions, please.....

1. Why not revert to the old system ?
2. Why did you not listen to all the issues pointed out for a couple of weeks while this system was on SISI ?

Giving an honest response to these questions is the least you can do after all this crap.