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Moon mineing (O-Tec) needs a "balance"
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Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#121 - 2012-05-26 18:38:01 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
In a year or two you might be in a position to do something about it.



The game probubly wont last another 2 years.

You yourself mentioned "Risk vs Reward" moon mineing in its current state, especialy with the OTEC agreement has no risk. Therfore needs addressing.
Typherian
V.O.I.D.
Pandemic Legion
#122 - 2012-05-26 18:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Typherian
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
Someone joked before, "should we all just be reset into rookie ships with no ISK" thats looking more and more like a good idea. Lol

Reaperswarm

It's time to downgrade from Rifters What?


Ok I don't care bout tech moons and crap but that is a brilliant idea. A swarm of thousands of nubships fighting each other would be pure video game gold.

BTW I don't mean forcing everyone to reset to 0 isk and only nubships I mean a nubship thunderdome for shiggles.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#123 - 2012-05-26 18:40:02 UTC
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
NULL SEC IS THE NEW HIGH SEC!!! NOBODY FIGHTS DOWN THERE AT ALL, MOONS ARE ALL OWNED BY BIG ALLIANCES AND THEY AGREE TO NOT ENGAGE EACH OTHER IN COMBAT EXCEPT FOR VERBAL SPARS!

REMOVE MOONS FROM NULL, PLACE THEM IN HIGH! EVERYBODY WINS!




Not at all, if you placed moons in high noone would be in null. The whole moon ring mineing idea is a good one, would open up the wealth from moons to more then the moon owner, and give the smaller guy a fighting chance to if not claim tech, to atleast disrupt a larger alliance with it so they actualy would have to work for thier isk.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-05-26 18:43:09 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
And how do you spose the average joe does that then?......... exactly its not possible for anyone without a huge alliance and massive funding - like a tech moon or 2 - to even consider doing so

Did white noise etc have a fucktonne of tech moons before they took down an entity which was just as big if not bigger than the CFC? No? Well then.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-05-26 18:46:44 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
In a year or two you might be in a position to do something about it.



The game probubly wont last another 2 years.

You yourself mentioned "Risk vs Reward" moon mineing in its current state, especialy with the OTEC agreement has no risk. Therfore needs addressing.


First off, it's mining. You don't need the E there(among other spelling mistakes). Secondly, if you look through the forums starting in 2003 you will find a ******** amount of posts about how EVE won't last another two years. Finally, the OTEC agreement does not remove risk. That would be like saying if you form an alliance you are removing risk from the game.

Are you part of this OTEC agreement? No. Therefore(note the spelling)you are a potential risk to their moon mining. Of course in reality you are not because you won't do anything about it other than whine on the forums but hopefully you can understand the point?

Another thing, just because there's an otec agreement today doesn't mean it'll be there tomorrow. People never ever ever ever ever backstab other players/corps/alliances in eve. It NEVER happens. Seriously, not even once.

Can you and your group of 2 friends do something about the tech moons? So get more friends. The way you whine about it without offering any reasonable solution is what's annoying.

I'm not against some rational changes to the way moon minerals are harvested. Neither is CCP if you believe soundwave at fanfest.

Seeing that you will probably never understand, I leave you with this. Shut up woman get on my horse

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#126 - 2012-05-26 18:47:15 UTC
Ok being frank.


Assume 99% of eve players are out for themselfs.

Now where will 99% of the population go, to the newly formed alliance/corp who is going to offer them nothing or to the all shiney alliance/corp who has ship reimbursement, logistics, even free pvp ships.

It is a utter load of BS if for one second any person posting "do somethign about it, make an alliance" think its a possible idea.

Moon Goo offers these large alliances the ISK required to actualy gain and keep numbers. Even actualy get people pvping.

At the end of the day lets be honest, who will fit a real pvpship more then once a day, go die, get podded then reship and go back for more if they arnt being offer'd some part of that honey pot?

Ask any large alliance about CTA attendance, or pvp activity even the ones with the unlimited income from moongoo have issues filling fleets.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#127 - 2012-05-26 18:48:10 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
In a year or two you might be in a position to do something about it.



The game probubly wont last another 2 years.

You yourself mentioned "Risk vs Reward" moon mineing in its current state, especialy with the OTEC agreement has no risk. Therfore needs addressing.


First off, it's mining. You don't need the E there(among other spelling mistakes). Secondly, if you look through the forums starting in 2003 you will find a ******** amount of posts about how EVE won't last another two years. Finally, the OTEC agreement does not remove risk. That would be like saying if you form an alliance you are removing risk from the game.

Are you part of this OTEC agreement? No. Therefore(note the spelling)you are a potential risk to their moon mining. Of course in reality you are not because you won't do anything about it other than whine on the forums but hopefully you can understand the point?

Another thing, just because there's an otec agreement today doesn't mean it'll be there tomorrow. People never ever ever ever ever backstab other players/corps/alliances in eve. It NEVER happens. Seriously, not even once.

Can you and your group of 2 friends do something about the tech moons? So get more friends. The way you whine about it without offering any reasonable solution is what's annoying.

I'm not against some rational changes to the way moon minerals are harvested. Neither is CCP if you believe soundwave at fanfest.

Seeing that you will probably never understand, I leave you with this. Shut up woman get on my horse




Correcting my spelling and grammer, wow. English is my 2nd language. how many languages do you speak?
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#128 - 2012-05-26 18:49:48 UTC
While certain areas perhaps should have "geographic" advantages (more tech in the north) perhaps resources in general should be spread out a bit more.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-05-26 18:55:10 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Moon Goo offers these large alliances the ISK required to actualy gain and keep numbers. Even actualy get people pvping.

We were doing this well before we got tech.

Devious Relation wrote:
At the end of the day lets be honest, who will fit a real pvpship more then once a day, go die, get podded then reship and go back for more if they arnt being offer'd some part of that honey pot?

This is the difference in thinking between those who can actually make it in nullsec, and those who are going to stay in hisec forever.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-05-26 18:56:25 UTC
Come on, guys, stop being unfair. This neutral alt is clearly correct, there is simply no way for a group of low-skill, isk-starved new players in lowsec to grow and survive long enough to challenge an established alliance. I mean, it's just impossible, no one has ever done it. And if you inadvertently pissed off a huge coalition like the CFC, and they decide that they want you dead? Well, you're dead, there's no way you could survive if a huge ******* corp was trying to destroy you, it's impossible. They would smear you across their windshield like the bugs you are. And let's say you DID survive, somehow, maybe even made a couple of friends to form an alliance with. It's not like you could actually WIN! I mean, a huge alliance like that in practically invincible, it would take forever. Yeah, that's it, you'd need a Forever War, you know how hard that would be?

And that's why there are no goons in Eve.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#131 - 2012-05-26 19:01:38 UTC
Goons are a group formed outside of eve via SA forums which you have to pay $10 to join. So although you were trying to troll with your reply there, you are correct. The only way CFC or any of the large powerhouses that are currently in existance will be knocked off thier perch is by internal issues, nothing anyone outside the diplomats/alliance highbee's can perform
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#132 - 2012-05-26 19:02:18 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Come on, guys, stop being unfair. This neutral alt is clearly correct, there is simply no way for a group of low-skill, isk-starved new players in lowsec to grow and survive long enough to challenge an established alliance. I mean, it's just impossible, no one has ever done it. And if you inadvertently pissed off a huge coalition like the CFC, and they decide that they want you dead? Well, you're dead, there's no way you could survive if a huge ******* corp was trying to destroy you, it's impossible. They would smear you across their windshield like the bugs you are. And let's say you DID survive, somehow, maybe even made a couple of friends to form an alliance with. It's not like you could actually WIN! I mean, a huge alliance like that in practically invincible, it would take forever. Yeah, that's it, you'd need a Forever War, you know how hard that would be?

And that's why there are no goons in Eve.

BoB crushed us. Actually, GSF is just BoB in disguise.

Surprise! You're back under SirMolle's thumb !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2012-05-26 19:11:09 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Goons are a group formed outside of eve via SA forums which you have to pay $10 to join.

I haven't paid $10.

Devious Relation wrote:
The only way CFC or any of the large powerhouses that are currently in existance will be knocked off thier perch is by internal issues, nothing anyone outside the diplomats/alliance highbee's can perform

Goons/CFC aren't invincible just because a portion of us are members of the SA forums. And, again, if you took your sentence and replace CFC with NC, BOB, etc, you'd end up with exactly the same thing people were saying a few years ago, and that's been proven wrong.

CFC'll be killed off at some point in the future as well, the question is just when, and by whom.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#134 - 2012-05-26 19:12:23 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Goons/CFC aren't invincible just because a portion of us are members of the SA forums. And, again, if you took your sentence and replace CFC with NC, BOB, etc, you'd end up with exactly the same thing people were saying a few years ago, and that's been proven wrong.

CFC'll be killed off at some point in the future as well, the question is just when, and by whom.

It'll be the highsec miners.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-05-26 19:19:37 UTC
I'm just going to point out that we already collapsed in a flurry of trolling and recriminations, losing all our territory because our CEO got pissy. We all had to move to lowsec to lick our wounds. Now we are invincible again.

A big alliance trying to destroy us won't succeed, because we won't go away due to our ships being blown up. An internal division won't destroy us, because we won't go away due to a major setback. We won't go away as long as we're having fun.

To destroy GoonSwarm, you must destroy Eve. Our will to power will conquer anything else.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#136 - 2012-05-26 19:25:03 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
I'm just going to point out that we already collapsed in a flurry of trolling and recriminations, losing all our territory because our CEO got pissy. We all had to move to lowsec to lick our wounds. Now we are invincible again.

A big alliance trying to destroy us won't succeed, because we won't go away due to our ships being blown up. An internal division won't destroy us, because we won't go away due to a major setback. We won't go away as long as we're having fun.

To destroy GoonSwarm, you must destroy Eve. Our will to power will conquer anything else.



^^ sadly i think this is the first accurate thing a goon has posted in thsi thread
Arya Greywolf
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-05-26 19:27:22 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority.

This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's


Gah, can't fight the urge... I thought we solved this problem.

R-I-diculous
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-05-26 19:27:25 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
I'm just going to point out that we already collapsed in a flurry of trolling and recriminations, losing all our territory because our CEO got pissy. We all had to move to lowsec to lick our wounds. Now we are invincible again.

A big alliance trying to destroy us won't succeed, because we won't go away due to our ships being blown up. An internal division won't destroy us, because we won't go away due to a major setback. We won't go away as long as we're having fun.

To destroy GoonSwarm, you must destroy Eve. Our will to power will conquer anything else.



^^ sadly i think this is the first accurate thing a goon has posted in thsi thread

It also makes your whining about how taking us out would be too hard particularly laughable. You won't find any sympathy here. We've been there. We've been through worse, even. And we won. Meanwhile, you've done nothing and complained that nothing has happened. So (everyone say it with me!)...

HTFU.
Malak Dawnfire
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#139 - 2012-05-26 19:30:27 UTC
HTFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ShockedShockedShocked
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#140 - 2012-05-26 19:38:07 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Now where will 99% of the population go, to the newly formed alliance/corp who is going to offer them nothing or to the all shiney alliance/corp who has ship reimbursement, logistics, even free pvp ships.


This is a problem to be figured out. What did Goons do when they first joined eve? Built themselves up to where they are now, right? Making friends, learning how to play (badly). The CC didn't get to where it is today without making friends along the way. So why don't you do the same thing? Convince people in game (not here on the forums, because they don't care enough), that Goons are a threat to your very lives, and get them together and go do something about them. After all, when BoB said that the Goons weren't allowed to play eve, what did Goons do?

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