Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP could change training "implants" into a Captain's Quarters function, so that you're only getting training boost when you are "docked" and your training "implants" will never be at risk or tied to one particular clone.

All other implants would remain the same, being specific to the clone they are in and remaining at risk of loss.

What this change would do is limit the need to jump clone as often. It won't change the cost or the risk of loss of those +5 implants, because I don't know anyone who actually puts them at risk.

It will slow down the training time for those who are very active in space, but they would make up some of it by docking every night and logging into their training program while off line.

It even makes sense as a mechanic of the technology of New Eden. It makes more sense that a capsuleer is focusing the managaemnt of his / her augments directly related to space operations while in space. When in their quarters, the opposite is true,

Please discuss by pointing out additional Pros and Cons to this idea.

I like the idea of emphasising the home base... at the moment my home station is just a place where I keep all my gift ships, corpses and a lvl 4 fitted t3 for if I loose everything.

Would need a pos or wormhole variant at the risk of pissing off a lot of wormholers.

You apparently misunderstood my post.

1. Undocking would still take place. Players will just lose the training boost from impants while they are in space. However, they will probably make this up because they can get those boosts back in any station they park in for their offline time.

2. They will also have to use their jump clones less often. There won't be the need for a training clone. This prevents them from not going without the training boost for a full 24 hour period.

3. There is no loss of the ISK sink or LP sink you suggest. As I said, I don't know anyone who leaves dock with a set of +5s. They don't have a risk now, they won't with my idea.

4. The only implants that will still carry a risk of lose are the combat ones, which makes sense.

5. Undocking is then, encouraged because players are not tied for 24 hours to the wrong clone or afraid to undock because they have their head full of +5s.



The probelm with having the training tied to a specific or a limited number of stations is that this would in fact punish the most active players. The only way it would balance out is that they need to have the ability to boost trianing in any station they park for the off-line or inactve time period. Portablity is key!

@Heimdallofasgard: You are currect, there would have to be a POS varient to make this fair for the 0.0 / WH residents.

I guess I disagree with this bit. This shouldn't be a buff, if the upgrade applied to any station, then it would simply remove the isk sink of implants, there would not be a downside to using the new approach. I could buy into the idea that the upgrade could be moved - but it should require a decent sized hauler - not something that you can stick in your back pocket and take with you. We want space to be big, there should be a penalty for force projection over distance. And people still have the option of implants should they want to randomly roam and not have to return to a limited set of stations.

People who want the benefit of being able to dock up and get fast training anywhere would simply have to invest more in upgrades to get that benefit - in the same way that they currently have to have multiple high spec clones dotted around. If these upgrade costed similar to an implant, then its not too much to ask to get people to upgrade as many stations as they need for the convenience of zero risk death.

In regards discouragement from undocking - thats nonsense. if your grumbling about 4 hours having no boost whilst flying, then simply keep your clone +3s - this is an improvement over the current system where clone jumping would leave you in a +3 clone for 24 hours - rather than the time you actually spend in space.

Go on then give us some figures....

How is 'only getting +3 while in space' more discouraging than 'only getting +3 for 24 hours so that I can spend a small amount of that time in space'?

The point that CJ ing massively discourages PVP is frequently made on the boards.

Because you'd have +5s for those 24h if you so chose without any kind of penalty. Because you choose to spend all of those 24h in space anyway. Because it would be “only ±0” while in space per the OP's suggestion. Because you're making universal assumptions about the choices people make as far as spending their time and ISK.

It's an idiotic idea because it removes choice and forces people to do things to get the benefits they've paid for.

Stupid idea is stupid.

You wouldn't need CQ enabled for this. Its got nothing to do with a graphic environment

Stilll don't see why. If I did not have to use a jump clone to get the training boost to begin with, I would be more inclined to spend that 24 hour period in space. In particular, more likely than not in low sec space and in PVP fighting.

But If I'm stuck in my training clone for 24 hours, I'm less likely to undock, unless of course I'm in high sec and not war dec'd.

Besides, I'd assume that you actually spend more time in dock (when you're not playing) than you do in space when you are. The training boost you would lose is very nominal. If the training boost were tied to any station you happen to be in, that would even off set the lose because you would not be trapped in a non training boost Jump Clone.

The problem is, the 24 hour Jump Clone clock. If we were able to manually enter a Jump Clone, whenever we wished to, even at a cost, that would remove the need for what i suggest.

Because you do not gain the benefits of your implants while you're undocked.

So why do you want to punish people for undocking, giving them even more incentive to stay docked?

Good. Then there's no reason to implement your idea since you could just jump to a clone with lower implants — the loss in boost would be equally nominal.

Then fix the problem. Don't disincentivise undocking. Don't break the implant market. Don't break the core design idea that everything should be at risk.