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Surviving the goons

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Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#21 - 2011-10-04 14:50:52 UTC
Ptraci wrote:


Because high sec miners are not all bots and a lot of them are clueless newbs who don't really deserve what you are handing out to them.


Wow. Welcome to EVE. If noobs don't know they can die even in Hi-sec then someone needs to teach 'em.

Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-04 14:52:01 UTC
Don't just "survive" the goons, fight back, whore on some killmails and thwart their nefarious plot. Put a couple fast locking ranged ships in the belt with you and one of two things will happen.

- they won't try to gank you.
- you will minimize the losses you would otherwise suffered by attacking the goon assailant(s) even before concord thus killing them faster.

Also, I suggest setting the following red (at an alliance, corp, or personal level):

goons, test, and any noobship pilots you see in your belts, scoutin your ships, while any goons/test are in system. also, check the goonfleet killboard for kills and grab non-goon/test pilot names from it and set them red.

PS: the combat ships you put in the belt should be near point range of your bai....er, miners, and probably not a close range ship in case goons decide to set you up the bomb.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2011-10-04 14:55:03 UTC
ahahahahahaha

nobody is ever scared away by combat ships in the belt we think those are a hoot

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Ejit
STD contractors
#24 - 2011-10-04 14:55:30 UTC
I've only got two brain cells left. They both hate each other and one's a recovering alcoholic.

Do you have any idea how much effort it was to read all that, when you could have simply said, "have logi support when mining"

But otherwise an informative read. Though I'd have to disagree with the ECM support against gankers. I feel with the majority of ganks taking less than 10 seconds, the chances of a Falcon/Blackbird pilot getting a lock and an active jam cycle on in time to save a miner are minuscule to none.
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-10-04 15:05:49 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
ahahahahahaha

nobody is ever scared away by combat ships in the belt we think those are a hoot


Really? Then why did the thorax and ruppy run last night?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2011-10-04 15:07:10 UTC
Indeterminacy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
ahahahahahaha

nobody is ever scared away by combat ships in the belt we think those are a hoot


Really? Then why did the thorax and ruppy run last night?


ruppy are you a toddler who hasn't learned to talk yet what the christ is wrong with you pubbies

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-10-04 15:07:44 UTC
i presume if a thorax and rupture zoomed onto the field and left, it was because there wasn't anything worth ganking they could reliably gank in cruisers

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-04 15:11:13 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i presume if a thorax and rupture zoomed onto the field and left, it was because there wasn't anything worth ganking they could reliably gank in cruisers


There were 3 macks, a hulk, and an orca. A noobship gave the warpin @0. I guess maybe they were afraid of something? Also, why are you getting so ~mad~? It's just internet space pixels...
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#29 - 2011-10-04 15:11:52 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
I know you can have candy. But you're going to have to work a little harder to get it. A ship that can alpha a Mack from range is a bit more expensive than a Brutix with T1 blasters, both in terms of the ship/equipment and the skill on the character to fly it.


When you factor in actual loss (insurance FTW) no, not really at all.

Your post is ********.

You know the following things:

a) Some people want to kill your ship
b) There is always a way they can achieve this

Your only logical next step is to stop mining. Everything else is stupid.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-10-04 15:14:52 UTC
We've got months and months worth of isk from taxing all those botters plus what the DRF paid us to let the NC fall and you think we're concerned about cost.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2011-10-04 15:14:55 UTC
Indeterminacy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i presume if a thorax and rupture zoomed onto the field and left, it was because there wasn't anything worth ganking they could reliably gank in cruisers


There were 3 macks, a hulk, and an orca. A noobship gave the warpin @0. I guess maybe they were afraid of something? Also, why are you getting so ~mad~? It's just internet space pixels...


this is forum war, your baby words have no place here

and macks can be tanked + linked so they resist a cruiser gank they probably scanned them because, you know, the rookie ship could see you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Machete Visor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-10-04 15:44:10 UTC
the real question is, how high does the price of isotopes have to go before it is worth you mining in a battleship instead of a miner?


how much can you mine in a domi?

that might change the dynamics of suicide ganks eh?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#33 - 2011-10-04 15:53:55 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

When you factor in actual loss (insurance FTW) no, not really at all.

...

Your only logical next step is to stop mining. Everything else is stupid.


No I know you guys have limitless money and industrial power. The real limit is skilled characters you are willing to have take a standing hit. No "10 hour heroes" are going to be doing alphas with artillery tempests. So either you get your real combat pilots here for a gank-fest (but if they're here, they're not THERE defending your null space) and have them take sec status hits, or continue with rookie alts in relatively easy to skill for cruisers.

But null space needs empire space to survive, after a fashion. If all your real pilots start taking sec hits, it's not going to work. So there is a real limit despite what you'd like me to think, and that limit is not money or ships.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2011-10-04 15:54:26 UTC
Machete Visor wrote:
the real question is, how high does the price of isotopes have to go before it is worth you mining in a battleship instead of a miner?


how much can you mine in a domi?

that might change the dynamics of suicide ganks eh?


i would laugh so ******* hard if I saw people ice mining in a dominix

even at hideously insane ice prices thats still making literally pennies an hour

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2011-10-04 15:55:04 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

When you factor in actual loss (insurance FTW) no, not really at all.

...

Your only logical next step is to stop mining. Everything else is stupid.


No I know you guys have limitless money and industrial power. The real limit is skilled characters you are willing to have take a standing hit. No "10 hour heroes" are going to be doing alphas with artillery tempests. So either you get your real combat pilots here for a gank-fest (but if they're here, they're not THERE defending your null space) and have them take sec status hits, or continue with rookie alts in relatively easy to skill for cruisers.

But null space needs empire space to survive, after a fashion. If all your real pilots start taking sec hits, it's not going to work. So there is a real limit despite what you'd like me to think, and that limit is not money or ships.


we're invading delve at the same time we're doing this somehow it seems we manage

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#36 - 2011-10-04 15:57:18 UTC
You keep talking about how little they are making an hour???

How come you are all so worried about them then?

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-04 15:58:28 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Indeterminacy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i presume if a thorax and rupture zoomed onto the field and left, it was because there wasn't anything worth ganking they could reliably gank in cruisers


There were 3 macks, a hulk, and an orca. A noobship gave the warpin @0. I guess maybe they were afraid of something? Also, why are you getting so ~mad~? It's just internet space pixels...


this is forum war, your baby words have no place here

and macks can be tanked + linked so they resist a cruiser gank they probably scanned them because, you know, the rookie ship could see you


I wasn't in a mack/hulk/orca...I was waiting to help kill those two cruisers. And yes, everyone could see me. Deterrence, Reagan style. Also, I'm having a lot of fun taunting goonies on forums, making them mad enough to start calling me bad names on an internet forum. It's amazing how quickly this actually happens.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#38 - 2011-10-04 16:01:19 UTC
ITT, goonies desperately trying for the lock again.

Smart money says their pet mod will do just that instead of cleaning the spam.

Mr Epeen Cool
AureoLion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-10-04 16:01:40 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Machete Visor wrote:
the real question is, how high does the price of isotopes have to go before it is worth you mining in a battleship instead of a miner?


how much can you mine in a domi?

that might change the dynamics of suicide ganks eh?


i would laugh so ******* hard if I saw people ice mining in a dominix

even at hideously insane ice prices thats still making literally pennies an hour


Sure, you can use strips on a battleship.
Sure.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2011-10-04 16:02:17 UTC
I wonder if it would be feasible to rent out Vulture (shield)/Claymore (sig) bonuses in affected systems...