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Moon mineing (O-Tec) needs a "balance"
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2012-05-26 16:37:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Darth Kilth wrote:
or NC who got their ass kicked in their own hubris?
I specifically meant the big alliances that haven't pissed of everyone (except the goons because they can do that and get away scot free) and got enough fire-power to make themselves an unattractive target.

Yes, the NC. The coalition where a majority of EVE said "the NC is killing eve", because the NC was so huge and had "so much firepower to make themselves an unattractive target". That NC.

Oh snap!

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#102 - 2012-05-26 16:48:14 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Darth Kilth wrote:
or NC who got their ass kicked in their own hubris?
I specifically meant the big alliances that haven't pissed of everyone (except the goons because they can do that and get away scot free) and got enough fire-power to make themselves an unattractive target.

Yes, the NC. The coalition where a majority of EVE said "the NC is killing eve", because the NC was so huge and had "so much firepower to make themselves an unattractive target". That NC.

Oh snap!

Heh heh heh ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#103 - 2012-05-26 17:00:04 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
The Mittani lobbied heavily during CSM6 for the Technetium situation to be rebalanced. Unfortunately, due to his non-participation in CSM7 he has not been able to keep up this pressure and get the issue fixed, with the end result that OTEC has emerged to exploit the system for all its worth.

Be careful what you wish for in future.




In that case it is a pitty what happened at fan fest did. CCP defiantly need constant pressure into balancing this and as soon as possible.

The guys quoting old alliance names and guys who have left 0.0. There were, in many cases, mittogating circumstances. High position deals, mergers as well as the not so honest things that have gone on. After all didnt a portion of WI join goons HERP DA DERRP
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#104 - 2012-05-26 17:17:40 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
The Mittani lobbied heavily during CSM6 for the Technetium situation to be rebalanced. Unfortunately, due to his non-participation in CSM7 he has not been able to keep up this pressure and get the issue fixed, with the end result that OTEC has emerged to exploit the system for all its worth.

Be careful what you wish for in future.

In that case it is a pitty what happened at fan fest did. CCP defiantly need constant pressure into balancing this and as soon as possible.

The guys quoting old alliance names and guys who have left 0.0. There were, in many cases, mittogating circumstances. High position deals, mergers as well as the not so honest things that have gone on. After all didnt a portion of WI join goons HERP DA DERRP

Don't worry, making the most of the tech is helping. And all the whines on General Discussion are only adding to the pressure, so whine more ~~

Yeah. We have WIdot. people.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#105 - 2012-05-26 17:29:38 UTC
Someone joked before, "should we all just be reset into rookie ships with no ISK" thats looking more and more like a good idea. Lol
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#106 - 2012-05-26 17:42:12 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Someone joked before, "should we all just be reset into rookie ships with no ISK" thats looking more and more like a good idea. Lol

Reaperswarm

It's time to downgrade from Rifters What?

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alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#107 - 2012-05-26 17:49:46 UTC
Sadly the OP is right... the ONE thing people INSIDE the game could do as a group and be good at got nerfed..

Goons < outside of eve group
TEST < alot of outside of eve people
O snap thats the MAIN power in nulll and it did not come from building inside the game but from outside...

Sorry tech moons have no current risk, for the 15bill/month it makes the risk is nill and CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#108 - 2012-05-26 17:50:04 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
ABLOO BLOO GOONS WON AT EVE AND I'M MAD ABOUT IT.



Agreed you guys did good, but you should be able to be challenged in game, otherwise boring it will become.

Tal


dont worry about us, we always find something to keep us entertained



Yes but pulling wings off flies will only take you so far. P


Tal


Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#109 - 2012-05-26 17:53:14 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:
Sadly the OP is right... the ONE thing people INSIDE the game could do as a group and be good at got nerfed..

Goons < outside of eve group
TEST < alot of outside of eve people
O snap thats the MAIN power in nulll and it did not come from building inside the game but from outside...

Sorry tech moons have no current risk, for the 15bill/month it makes the risk is nill and CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general.



Spoken like someone who has never had to take a Tech moon, or defend one, or take one back.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Derth Ramir
Fight The Blob
#110 - 2012-05-26 17:54:39 UTC
Welcome to eve you ******* pussy **** like this is what makes this game epic. Players controlling the game is why I play this. Go hang yourself OP.

Fight The Blob.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-05-26 17:56:13 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:
Sorry tech moons have no current risk

Have you even seen a tech moon?

alittlebirdy wrote:
CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions

ahahahahahahahahahaha

No.

alittlebirdy wrote:
OR nerf the **** out of moons in general.

Remove T2 from the game, moons in general nerfed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#112 - 2012-05-26 17:57:09 UTC
Derth Ramir wrote:
Welcome to eve you ******* ***** **** like this is what makes this game epic. Players controlling the game is why I play this. Go hang yourself OP.



I wanna know whats under the stars.

I'm guessing f*king re*ard sh*t

Tal



Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2012-05-26 18:09:50 UTC
alittlebirdy wrote:
CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general.


You can take a tech moon. How do you prevent a group from running incursions in hisec?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2012-05-26 18:17:06 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
alittlebirdy wrote:
CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general.


You can take a tech moon. How do you prevent a group from running incursions in hisec?

You suicide gank them with cheap ships available to everyone.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-05-26 18:21:13 UTC
Nah man, what you do is shoot the mothership as sooon as possible. That really ticks them off.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#116 - 2012-05-26 18:23:34 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details.

I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing.

The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL

Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit


This agreement effects 90% of the tech moons, how are new commers, the smaller corps/alliances ment to even get started?
Its things like this that put new people off and eventualy will be the death of the game


When Band of Brothers (one of the first most powerful alliances that ever existed at the time) was taken down by just a couple of players with a few mouse clicks, people with your attitude went to CCP to try to undo the damage because they believed that no one person should have that kind of power. But CCP said "NO" because all of that happened under the rules of the game. What makes you think CCP is going to take out OTEC? CCP endorsed it for god sake.

Adapt or Die
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#117 - 2012-05-26 18:29:33 UTC
Derth Ramir wrote:
Welcome to eve you ******* ***** **** like this is what makes this game epic. Players controlling the game is why I play this. Go hang yourself OP.




I sense anger issues. want a cookie?
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#118 - 2012-05-26 18:31:28 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
alittlebirdy wrote:
CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general.


You can take a tech moon. How do you prevent a group from running incursions in hisec?



And how do you spose the average joe does that then?......... exactly its not possible for anyone without a huge alliance and massive funding - like a tech moon or 2 - to even consider doing so
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-05-26 18:32:48 UTC
CCP made a game that is supposed to be all about freedom of choice, do whatever you want(within specified parameters), risk vs reward, actions and consequences, ect. So a few groups of players took over tech moons, then made an agreement to not fight over them and you're mad?

You want CCP to do something about it? Even though that would be the exact opposite of what eve is suppose to be about? If you don't like the fact that those groups own all the tech moons, make your own group, then go take the tech moons. "waaah that's not possible, they are too entrenched, blah blah blah."

I'm sorry they've been growing their alliance for years and have established some power and you're just starting out and can't go take them out in a day. If you really want to remove them start building now. In a year or two you might be in a position to do something about it.

"That's ridiculous and unfair"

No, it's not. They've been working at this for a very long time, you're mad about it.....what today? Yesterday? A week ago? What steps have you taken to remove them from their position? None? Unless you count whining on the forums a step.

If CCP were to do something about a bunch of players that achieved whatever goal they were going after "legally" then this game would be World of Warcraft, and I would quit.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Malak Dawnfire
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#120 - 2012-05-26 18:36:20 UTC
NULL SEC IS THE NEW HIGH SEC!!! NOBODY FIGHTS DOWN THERE AT ALL, MOONS ARE ALL OWNED BY BIG ALLIANCES AND THEY AGREE TO NOT ENGAGE EACH OTHER IN COMBAT EXCEPT FOR VERBAL SPARS!

REMOVE MOONS FROM NULL, PLACE THEM IN HIGH! EVERYBODY WINS!