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So... Log-offski has virtually been fixed... what about log-onski?
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Selinate
#1 - 2012-05-26 13:38:34 UTC
How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?

This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#2 - 2012-05-26 13:40:56 UTC
"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly?
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#3 - 2012-05-26 13:41:20 UTC
I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating.
Selinate
#4 - 2012-05-26 13:41:24 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly?


CCP.
Selinate
#5 - 2012-05-26 13:42:20 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating.


Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed.
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-26 13:46:32 UTC
I once heard log in trap was against the rules and could be petitioned... but perhaps the people who ruled that back then have been fired since then

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#7 - 2012-05-26 13:50:00 UTC
So now it's against the rules to LOG onto Eve? HAHAHAHAHHA o dear o dear o dear.

I actually think it isn't the goons that want to destroy eve, it is the carebears that ARE destroying EVE.
Selinate
#8 - 2012-05-26 13:53:48 UTC
Miilla wrote:
So now it's against the rules to LOG off of Eve? HAHAHAHAHHA o dear o dear o dear.

I actually think it isn't the goons that want to destroy eve, it is the carebears that ARE destroying EVE.


See how it works both ways? I know you're just trolling, but I might as well just shoot your argument down quickly.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#9 - 2012-05-26 14:26:57 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating.


Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed.



Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating?
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#10 - 2012-05-26 14:27:53 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly?


CCP.



Why on earth would they, when you know perfectly well there's no way to determine when people are logging on/off for legitimate and 'other' reasons?
Selinate
#11 - 2012-05-26 14:29:09 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating.


Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed.



Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating?


According to CCP's fix, yes you are.
Selinate
#12 - 2012-05-26 14:29:32 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly?


CCP.



Why on earth would they, when you know perfectly well there's no way to determine when people are logging on/off for legitimate and 'other' reasons?


Not that hard. Suddenly 5 people log into system on a gate and get a kill and then log back off, repeat.
Othran
Route One
#13 - 2012-05-26 14:33:48 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
I once heard log in trap was against the rules and could be petitioned... but perhaps the people who ruled that back then have been fired since then


It was classed as an exploit WAY WAY back.

As is the case with a lot of stuff which eats up GM time (and hence costs CCP money) it isn't now.

Could be fixed easy enough if they wanted by having a logon session timer of a couple of minutes which prevents aggression before you're aggressed if you log in space.

I'm surprised anyone cares about the issue now TBH. Far more likely you're going to get dropped than a logon trap - which you at least get the ewarp time to react to.
Andemnon Kohort
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-26 14:54:23 UTC
i can't think how this can be considered an exploit, its a tactic thats used by just about everyone in Null sec at some point or other, either offensively or defensively..
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#15 - 2012-05-26 15:14:31 UTC
Selinate wrote:
How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?

This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.


Logoffski was not cheating nor an exploit. It happened because the game mechanics allowed it to happen. CCP changed that because they didn't think a supercap would survive more than 15 minutes being attacked. It was a design flaw.


Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool.

CCP designed the Local Chat for people on local to .... chat ... locally....


You should know better than to presume things and then act as if the opinion you create based on those presumptions were supposed to hold any sort of value. Check your information and then you're allowed to criticize something.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#16 - 2012-05-26 15:18:54 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating.


Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed.



Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating?


According to CCP's fix, yes you are.



Where does it say that is so (I am genuinely interested)?
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#17 - 2012-05-26 15:18:54 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
[quote=Selinate]

Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool.


However it is also abused in wspace because the proper intel tools(probes, dscan and scouts) are used.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#18 - 2012-05-26 15:25:58 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
[quote=Selinate]

Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool.


However it is also abused in wspace because the proper intel tools(probes, dscan and scouts) are used.



I could also say that you're the one abusing the probes, the dscan and your scouts (the poor things).

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Selinate
#19 - 2012-05-26 15:46:21 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Selinate wrote:
How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?

This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.


Logoffski was not cheating nor an exploit. It happened because the game mechanics allowed it to happen. CCP changed that because they didn't think a supercap would survive more than 15 minutes being attacked. It was a design flaw.


Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool.

CCP designed the Local Chat for people on local to .... chat ... locally....


You should know better than to presume things and then act as if the opinion you create based on those presumptions were supposed to hold any sort of value. Check your information and then you're allowed to criticize something.


I am not presuming anything, this mechanic was changed for ALL ships, not just cap ships, ergo my point still stands. If local chat needs changing also, then that is an entirely different point all together, cov ops cloaks should be used for this, not logging on or off. This also bypasses the watchlist intel tool that can be used to check for this.

It's poor design, it should be fixed.
Selinate
#20 - 2012-05-26 15:46:40 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating.


Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed.



Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating?


According to CCP's fix, yes you are.



Where does it say that is so (I am genuinely interested)?


According to CCP's fix. What part of that was hard to read?
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