EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified??

Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules.

if you say so

How did this idiot even become a dev....

I linked it a page or two ago.

What's different? They're both the sole A-teams of their respective alliances.
They just spar together for the sake of convenience

As you say, you know what happened last year and it won't be happening this year. You are using their actions last year, cooperation to infer that they meant the same thing this year. The question of bias comes from the weighting of evidence. We know that PL and Waffles cooperate all the darn time. But even though their history of cooperation, same CEO for both organizations, their attempt to enter two teams was not seen as a grave offense. Why? Because they did not throw the final match of ATIX. DekCo, the Alliance of Alliances is also famed for working together.

In response to your edit: You need a pretext if you want to claim to be working within the published rules. Another option one could take would be to state that CCP retains the right to determine what makes a good AT and the inclusion of certain Alliances a bad AT, ipso fact, these following alliances will not be included. Problem solved.

I know it suits your desire to be martyrs to keep pretending there's some grudge but as I said you have yourself, well really your leaders to blame and absolutely nobody else. I'm sorry accepting responsibility for your own actions that we didn't make you do is so difficult but at some point you're going to have to come to grips with you.

the difference is that last year was last year? Do I really have to say this?

Next week we will be going into more detail about how you can participate in the random draw and how to apply for an auction spot. Today we want to look at tournament rules and what we wanted to achieve with these. While a full listing is available below for your perusal, and will be updated on the new Alliance Tournament page next week, we would like to take a moment and highlight some of the important changes:

We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the qualifying rounds from five to six.
We are increasing the number of ships you can field in the final two weekends from 10 to 12.
Match times have been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes.
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.
Ship point values have been changed with some ships going down in cost.
Alliance Tournament referees can now call a match null and void or declare a result if they feel a team is not competing or throwing a game. This will be entirely at the discretion of the tournament referees.
These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.



Match Rules

Tournament Rules

This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter.
There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day.
All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.
All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games.
To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be ‘B’ or ‘C’ teams for bigger Alliances.

And again you completely ignore the point. You have yet to address that CVA & 4th considered doing the very same thing just prior to HYDRA & Outbreak getting banned. How is that NOT proof that your ruleset is insanely vague and a pretty good indication that banning 2 teams outright over it is unjustly harsh? HYDRA & Outbreak were not trying to hide that we practiced together in a single corporation because we thought it was well within the rules just like CVA would have thought.

Why should I blame the HYDRA leaders that asked the Alliance Tournament team for clarification (and were ignored multiple times) and thought they were acting within the rules?

How can you not see that the fact that 2 other teams considered doing the very same thing well within the rules is an indication of how terribly vague that rule is? And that banning 2 teams over it is insane when you have made no attempts to COMMUNICATE, CLARIFY or WARN them prior to it happening.

This could have happened to CVA & 4th (if, of course, you are consistent about rules being applied to all teams) just as well as HYDRA & Outbreak if they had just done it a bit earlier.

Or would the rules have been applied differently because they didn't annoy you during AT IX? After all, it appears earlier that HYDRA & Outbreak were banned entirely because of what happened in AT IX.