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Moon mineing (O-Tec) needs a "balance"
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2012-05-26 11:32:45 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:



Ok Lord, how are you supposed to tackle a enemy with UNLIMITED ISK and funding? please educate us all


Did it for 4 years in venal when the NC, BoB ASCN ect were at the hight of their power. We were the Afghanistan of EVE, a place where the superpowers of their day sent their fleets to die.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-05-26 11:38:57 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
I am unsure of the exact way the NC fell so cannot get into details.

But I think its fairly safe to assume it was because of a alliance between other alliances with alot of ISK, moms and titans which took them down. Reitterating the fact, there comes a tiem when people realise, join a established alliance or move on

Hey, so, why are you so hell-bent on taking space in the north, anyways?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#63 - 2012-05-26 12:37:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
I am unsure of the exact way the NC fell so cannot get into details.

But I think its fairly safe to assume it was because of a alliance between other alliances with alot of ISK, moms and titans which took them down. Reitterating the fact, there comes a tiem when people realise, join a established alliance or move on

Hey, so, why are you so hell-bent on taking space in the north, anyways?



Im not interested in taking any space what so ever, I'm actualy comming to the end of my "eve life" i think. Getting so bored of the same stuff over and over. I am meerly interested in firstly, making the "pubbies" masses aweare of this NTEC agreement, and secondly putting it on the table that Moon goo is far more game breaking than incursions ever were.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#64 - 2012-05-26 12:37:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:



Ok Lord, how are you supposed to tackle a enemy with UNLIMITED ISK and funding? please educate us all


Did it for 4 years in venal when the NC, BoB ASCN ect were at the hight of their power. We were the Afghanistan of EVE, a place where the superpowers of their day sent their fleets to die.



DURKA DURKA? :D
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-05-26 12:43:59 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Im not interested in taking any space what so ever, I'm actualy comming to the end of my "eve life" i think. Getting so bored of the same stuff over and over. I am meerly interested in firstly, making the "pubbies" masses aweare of this NTEC agreement, and secondly putting it on the table that Moon goo is far more game breaking than incursions ever were.

Well, see, these "new fledging alliances" you speak so highly of would, if they wanted to go after tech, simply have to find space somewhere where they can actually take the space, like down south. They would have to build up relations with their neighbours and build up a warchest and a competent fleet of people. And once that's done, once they think they have enough, they can start moving up the ladder.

There's absolutely no game mechanic which is in the game right now, which is stopping anyone from toppling the CFC off of tech, it's just a matter of organization and coordination.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#66 - 2012-05-26 12:44:45 UTC
M-O-O-N, that spells 'moon'.
Frying Doom
#67 - 2012-05-26 12:46:27 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
There's absolutely no game mechanic which is in the game right now, which is stopping anyone from toppling the CFC off of tech, it's just a matter of organization and coordination.

Except Sov and the Jump mechanics.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-05-26 12:48:53 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
There's absolutely no game mechanic which is in the game right now, which is stopping anyone from toppling the CFC off of tech, it's just a matter of organization and coordination.

Except Sov and the Jump mechanics.

Since when did the sov mechanics stop anyone from taking space if they really, really wanted it? And what does the "jump mechanics" have to do with anything here?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#69 - 2012-05-26 13:14:29 UTC
Lord you and anyone with a basic knowledge of the game mechanics know exactly why
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-05-26 13:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
OTEC is merely following the real world examples of production cartels like OPEC & the Medellín Cartel, it's price fixing by means of distribution control and is common national and business practice, it is the way that most big businesses/ countries with rich natural resources stay on top of the pile.

The solution also follows real world examples, you can pay exorbitant prices for a controlled flow of resources, or you can engage in diplomacy, wangle deals to get access to cartel goods, if all else fails invade to get what you want. Recent history shows that military might is all to often involved in the scramble for resources in the real world, why should Eve be any different? It just so happens that OTEC probably have more military might than anybody else.


Yeah, it's just like the real world.

In the real world, when an oil rig is under attack, a "reinforce timer" goes up after it goes into structure and the insurgents have to wait for the current owners to show up before they can resume fire.

Just ask the United States in Iraq. I'm pretty sure that is how it works.

Also, the entire army of a country can gather in one place, click their heals together, and be half way around the world in an instant. Or something.

And all the oil is just concentrated in the Middle East to... well, it really isn't. Only about 30% of total oil production is in the Middle East. So I guess that is wrong to.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#71 - 2012-05-26 13:29:28 UTC
Is it time for the daily tech whine thread already? Bad Goons! You should be ashamed of yourselves!

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-05-26 13:29:57 UTC
So I hear timezone wars are a thing in the real world.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-05-26 13:35:26 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
So I hear timezone wars are a thing in the real world.


Why thank you for agreeing with me about how stupid the mechanics by which the Goons hold Sov are!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-05-26 13:43:46 UTC
Oh, I see, we hold sov purely because of ... timezones.

Nerf timezones.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#75 - 2012-05-26 13:45:01 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Oh, I see, we hold sov purely because of ... timezones.

Nerf timezones.




No just fix bad mechanics and address REAL issues with the game. Or has it gone on for too long and CCP cannot actualy rectofy the issues now. *whispers Fergel bug*
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-05-26 13:46:30 UTC
I can get down with removing any and all reinforcement timers.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#77 - 2012-05-26 14:01:54 UTC
On a logical note, CCP did recently totaly well and truely "balance" datacores and moneymaking not being logged in, hopefuly moons are next as they are the same deal pretty much
Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-05-26 14:06:14 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority.

This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's


Pretty sure the old Incursion system was a great example of this, careful throwing that word "hypocrite" around, might just rebound and land on you m8.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#79 - 2012-05-26 14:08:45 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority.

This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's


Pretty sure the old Incursion system was a great example of this, careful throwing that word "hypocrite" around, might just rebound and land on you m8.



In what way, incursions were open to EVERY player, the only limitations were player created communitys which rules pretty much were, grief a fleet and your out of the community. So yeah hardly eliete rich peoples trying to keep the new guy poor. BTL/CID and TDF were the most welcoming un judgemental communitys that ive seen ina while on eve. Certainly alot less ahrsh then ANY 0.0 corporation/community
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#80 - 2012-05-26 14:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Yeah, it's just like the real world.

In the real world, when an oil rig is under attack, a "reinforce timer" goes up after it goes into structure and the insurgents have to wait for the current owners to show up before they can resume fire.

Just ask the United States in Iraq. I'm pretty sure that is how it works.

Also, the entire army of a country can gather in one place, click their heals together, and be half way around the world in an instant. Or something.

And all the oil is just concentrated in the Middle East to... well, it really isn't. Only about 30% of total oil production is in the Middle East. So I guess that is wrong to.


In the real world an oil rig is not protected by a sizeable forcefield and multiple weapons platforms, therefore your point is moot.

As for your "clicking heels together" comment, most modern military forces can be on the scene of a conflict within 24 hours, compared to 50 years ago that is indeed pretty much instantaneous deployment. Seeing as Eve is set 20 odd thousand years in the future it is not inconceivable that the ability to project force in a lesser time period would be possible, regardless of distance.

Nowhere did I mention the middle east and specifically Iraq. Membership of OPEC is not restricted to countries in the middle east, here's a list of members for you.

Member Countries of OPEC
Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela

If anything the Arabic countries are not all powerful in OPEC, there's a fair few African countries in the list and some Central American ones to. The 30% of oil production that the middle east holds is a damn big chunk of current production, the fact that it's relatively easy to get to compared to say the Shale fields in North America makes it in effect an even bigger chunk simply because of ease of access.

I was merely comparing OTEC to real world Cartels, I was not stating that the reality of real world conflict = the reality of eve conflict.

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